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Paul Morphy vs Charles Maurian
Match at Knight Odds (1869), New Orleans USA, Mar-21
Chess variants (000)  ·  1-0


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  InspiredByMorphy: The last game of Morphy's in the database, and its an incredible one!
Nov-01-04  aw1988: <IBM> Morphy vs Maurian, 1869
Nov-01-04  Saruman: Perhaps Morphy should have played 14.f4.
Apr-16-06  woodenbishop: Throughout history it is quite obvious there has been only one PAUL MORPHY!
Jan-29-09  WhiteRook48: evidently Morphy decided not to take off a rook after all
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  heuristic: mo' better moves:

18...Kg8 19.Qa4 g6 20.Bc1 Qf8 21.Be3

20...Kd8 21.Bb5 Bxb5 22.Rxb5 Nd6 23.Rb1

21.Rxc7 Bxc7 22.Rxb7 Rb8 23.Qxc7 Rxb7

23.exf5 Qf6 24.Qa4+ Kd8 25.d6 Rc8

23...Kd8 24.exf5 Qxf5 25.Rbc1 Nd6 26.Bc5

25...Qh6 26.Rd1+ Bd4 27.f4 Kc7 28.Qa5+

Jul-15-15  saturn2: A big mistake seems 21..f5 because it looses a pawn and the king is kept in the middle afterwards. 21..Rd8 seems good instead.

This game was played between the two lifelong friends many years after Morphy retired from the public as a chessplayer if not from life completely. He was still a strong player at this time.

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  Calli: I have long term project to trace down the sources of Morphy-Maurian games. This arose because of discrepancies that exist among books and DBs. The variances included dates, number of moves and location. Recently found two games published by Maurian in the New Orleans Times-Democrat on Feb 03 1889, page 8. He gives the date of this game which is now updated in the database.
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  zanzibar: <Calli> could you also ensure that <CG> update the Source tag in the PGN for these cases too?

It would be helpful.

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  Calli: <zanzibar> 1) How do you insert a tag? - This game does not have a source tag. 2) What are the conventions for source tags?
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  zanzibar: <Calli>

1) Source tags are just tags in the PGN, and remain hidden in most display programs.

(Maybe <CG> could display them on a game page?)

Here's an example from a game I've recently found:


[Source "Alta Daily CA v11 N8 1859-01-09 p4 c3"]


So, just add such a tag for game submissions.

I suppose a correction slip can be used for games already in the DB, using the "other" feature.

2) After some protracted advocating and lobbying <CG> adopted the feature, so it doesn't strip out the tag. At the time there was also discussion about the conventions to use, with the intent of adding a guidance page on <CG>.

This all came to naught.

There is the Z-base "de facto" convention, which borrows heavily from Zavaratelliís bibliography of Kolisch:

Here are some more examples:

Now, I've also adopted a couple of other conventions worth noting

a) <G<nnn>> for tracking Game Number in periodicals and/or tb (tournament book).

b) <tb G<nnn> <pp>/<pp>>

This is for tournament books, where I just use tb as an abbrev. Note the double page numbers, <pp>, the first being the conventional, the second being the page number in the PDF (usually coming from ChessArch ref - or yours).

I recommend this, as it's very, very convenient to have the number to navigate directly to the game in the PDF.

c) < source1 / source2 / source3 >

I might use this when I get the PGN from <CG>=<source1>, but find a more definition source, say <Harding>, who in turn also gives the original contemporaneous source <source3>.

So, I used <CG>, but we have a chain of increasing authority.

Far more details then you might have wanted, but I find it a useful system which I'd like other chess historians to utilize.

Z-base v-04 link found in here:

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  Calli: <So, just add such a tag for game submissions.>

Will do that for games that I submit, but in this research I have not submitted any games. I am merely trying to find the original publications of the over 70 games in the CG DB. IMHO, the Source Tag should be available in the Administrator Game Editor section. For the time being, I will document my sources in the Game Collection: Morphy - Maurian where it is more accessible.

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  zanzibar: <<Calli> Will do that for games that I submit, ... >

Great. A convention that all biographers should adopt.

<I am merely trying to find the original publications of the over 70 games in the CG DB.>

Hmmm, just curious if this is scattershot, or for a given tournament/match or two.

<IMHO, the Source Tag should be available in the Administrator Game Editor section.>

Agreed. But if the <Source> tag were in the PGN, it would be easy for <CG> to promote it for easy viewability. And likewise, if <CG> had a slot on an editor page, it would be trivial to inject it into the PGN.

<For the time being, I will document my sources in the Game Collection: Morphy - Maurian where it is more accessible.>

Like <MissS>'s comment elsewhere. Better than nothing, but I think there's a fundamental flaw with this approach, which I'll elaborate elsewhere.

The main point is that the source is best in the PGN, where it can be both promulgated and protected, along with all the rest of the actual game data.

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