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|Jun-03-09|| ||WhiteRook48: Here's how I figured it was 7 Bxf7+
1: the White player is Bill Wall
2: You sacrifice a lot
3: I've seen this game before.
You can't win by Chance
|Jun-03-09|| ||zanshin: <patzer2: <Zanshin> Maybe some or all of the lyric "Let's take a chance. Why be afraid of it?" from the 1933 song "Let's Fall in Love" might make for a good pun.>|
Wow! That's even before <my> time! ;-) I was thinking along the lines of taking a chance but hitting a wall - I don't know. As I said, this is not one of my skills!
|Jun-03-09|| ||patzer2: <johnlspouge> Good catch on my oversight with 8...Kf6 9. Qh4+? g5! Instead, 8...Kf6 9. Qf5+ Ke7 10. Qe5+ Kf7 11. Qd5+ would be correct here.|
|Jun-03-09|| ||mworld: Every now n again one of these advanced puzzles just jumps right out. For me, I got to see this combination exactly as played right away which feels great. What doesn't feel as great is knowing that if I was Black in this game that I definitely wouldn't have noticed the full potential of the bishop sac threat.|
|Jun-03-09|| ||patzer2: <Zanshin> Another though is "leaving nothing to chance."|
|Jun-03-09|| ||Toothless: I'm sure this is obvious to everybody else, but before playing this combination at the board, I would want to understand how the white queen escapes after 7. Bxf7+ Kxf7 8. Qh5+ g6 9. Qd5+ Kg7 10. Qxa8 Ne7|
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Black's intention is to play ....Nc6.
|Jun-03-09|| ||zanshin: <patzer2: <Zanshin> Another though is "leaving nothing to chance.">|
That's a good one ... where is that pun contest?
|Jun-03-09|| ||Yodaman: I've played Bill Wall in a game on chess.com before. At least I believe it was him. He had a 2500 rating on the website and was named Bill Wall so I assume it's really him. He didn't do anything crazy to me, but rather I resigned after making some silly moves. This is an interesting game. It looks like a very common opening throughout until the black knight move in which case white takes advantage of it for the win immediately.|
|Jun-03-09|| ||Patriot: <Toothless> You do bring up a good point. The queen is out of play but it's not unsafe. But sometimes that can be just as bad as a piece captured for nothing.|
Some important points: 1) Black cannot play Bb7 since Qxb7; 2) The black queen cannot move without leaving the c8-bishop unguarded.
Maybe 11.a4 or calmly 11.O-O. I don't think it calls for anything radical or forcing though. Just play safely and eventually the material advantages should win.
|Jun-03-09|| ||MaxxLange: <Toothless> An excellent point. I'm playing around with the position on the computer and getting into lines like|
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6
4. Ba4 b5 5. Bb3 Nd4 6. Nxd4 exd4 7. Bxf7+ Kxf7 8. Qh5+ g6 9. Qd5+ Kg7 10. Qxa8
Ne7 11. O-O Nc6 12. a4 Bc5 13. axb5 axb5 14. Na3 Qe7 15. d3 Ba7 16. Nxb5 Ba6
17. Qxh8+ Kxh8 18. Rxa6
with both Rooks for the Queen
|Jun-03-09|| ||patzer2: <Toothless> Escape? Why the rush to escape when the Queen is perfectly safe right where she is now? Keep the Queen on a8, develop the rest of the pieces, eventually attack the Knight on c6 with a pawn or minor piece and then the Queen can join the fight with a huge advantage. |
One possibility is 9. Qd5+ Kg7 10. Qxa8 Ne7 11. d3 Nc6 12. a4
bxa4 13. Rxa4 Bb4+ 14. c3 dxc3 15. bxc3 Bd6 16. O-O Qh4 17. f4 Qg4 18. Ra2 Re8 19. Raf2 Qh4 20. d4 Bf8 21. Nd2 h6 22. Nc4 Qf6 23. Ne5 .
|Jun-03-09|| ||mworld: <toothless> i think the simple approach/answer if you are in fear of the queen is to break up the pawn chain on a6 by playing a4|
|Jun-03-09|| ||beenthere240: Sometimes you hit the Wall; sometimes...|
|Jun-03-09|| ||chillowack: Bill Wall nicely punishes Black here for violating the "don't move the same piece twice in the opening" rule.|
|Jun-03-09|| ||LIFE Master AJ: I found this one right away, my first thought was, "Hey! I have seen this one before, I believe." (Bill published a whole series of books on short games, I am pretty sure that this was in one of those books.)|
|Jun-03-09|| ||lzromeu: Another brick the Wall|
|Jun-03-09|| ||Toothless: Not sure I could see to move 23 if I was playing this over the board.|
|Jun-03-09|| ||xrt999: wow, who knew there were so many clever phrases using the words "wall" and/or "chance".|
|Jun-03-09|| ||tivrfoa: it should be a monday puzzle|
|Jun-04-09|| ||ChessEscudero: holy s%^&*|
|Jun-04-09|| ||I Like Fish: give me...
|Aug-02-09|| ||LIFE Master AJ: Black had to try 8...Ke7.|
|Aug-03-09|| ||LIFE Master AJ: 5...Nd4?; is the losing move, I reckon.|
|Aug-20-10|| ||LIFE Master AJ: I have a note in ym book in 2003 ... I may have been the one who submitted this game to CG in the first place.|
|Mar-06-13|| ||soberknight: America is going bankrupt! Yeah!!!|
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