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Kermur Sire De Legal vs Saint Brie
Paris 1750  ·  Philidor Defense: General (C41)  ·  1-0
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Dec-24-08  patzer of patzers: the queen
Dec-24-08  zzzzzzzzzzzz: well known now. St. Brie did'nt know about it, but he did fall for it!
Dec-30-08  thebribri8: If the alternate game score is correct, Legal's Nxe5 is completely unsound, as black can recapture with his own knight instead of foolishly taking the queen.
Dec-30-08  Octal: I got to play the White side of 1 e4 e5 2 f4 d6 3 Nf3 Nc6 4 Bc4 h6?! 5 O-O Bg4 6 Nc3 Nd4? 7 Nxe5! and wins.
Mar-16-09  dwavechess: 5/7 concur with Rybka 3 at 3 min. per move with rybka.abk book for Kermur Sire De Legal
Apr-01-09  eternaloptimist: Legal's mate...LOL
Jul-24-09  just a kid: Ah the famous,Legal's mate.(infamous from the Black side.=)
Sep-11-09  Kasparkov: I've played many games like this, esp. on blitz game..

:)

Sep-29-09  LIFE Master AJ: My pun for this game is a line from one of the Star Wars movies.
Dec-30-09  Whitehat1963: Black's defense had more holes in it than a block of Swiss cheese!
Mar-31-10  SirChrislov: Black's defense has more holes in it than that squarepants sponge fellow!
Mar-31-10
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  alexmagnus: I've actually been on both sides of Legal's mate in my life. What's even funnier, the first and only time I lost to it occured <later> than the fist time I won by it.
Jun-29-10  eightbyeight: Black's defense had more holes in it than a firing range target!
Sep-02-10  Lil Swine: the classic mating trap
Mar-12-11  Amarande: Nor are the closed openings or castling entirely protective against this, either. Here White comes to grief by relying too much on the Bg5/Nf6 pin in a situation where one mightn't even think of Legal -

1 Nf3 f5 2 d4 Nf6 3 c4 e6 4 Bg5 Be7 5 Nc3 O-O 6 e3 b6 7 Bd3 Bb7 8 O-O Nc6 9 Qc2 Nb4 10 Qd2 Nxd3 11 Qxd3 a6 12 Ne5 Bd6 13 g4? fxg4 14 Nxg4??


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14 ... Nxg4!! 15 Bxd8 Bxh2#

Mar-14-11  stst: strike this accidentally - quite a record.
anything shorter? - must be quite insane too !!
May-11-11
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  Nightsurfer: The move order is a fake. The real game has been executed as follows: 1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 d6 3.Nf3 Nc6 4.Nc3 Bg4 5.Nxe5!! Bxd1??? 6.Bxf7+ Ke7 7.Nd5# Please compare:!!!!! http://chessbase.de/nachrichten.asp... !!!!! Move no. 4 (4. ... g6) has been fiction: www.chesscorner.com/games/fascinating/int4.htm And the name of White player has been different, his real name has been LEGALL DE KERMEUR, please compare http://heritageechecsfra.free.fr/le...
May-11-11
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  Nightsurfer: Even the date of the game - "1750" - is not correct: The game has been played at Paris in 1787, please compare http://chessbase.de/nachrichten.asp...
May-12-11  APatzer: A good illustrative game for beginners.
Aug-09-11  50movesaheadofyou: <Nightsurfer> The move order has been debated for centuries. In my book, first 3...g6 and then 4...Bg4.
Oct-27-11  JoergWalter: <Nightsurfer>

see this post from 2005. The findings of Herr Maaß are a little late for a new discovery. another fake?

<Jan-24-05
alexmagnus: By the way, the game here is wrong. In the real in Legal-Brie game Legal blundered an Brie didnt see it, so the game was re-moved so like shown here. The real game was very bad:1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 d6 3.Nf3 Nc6 (this move is not listed in the later editions of the game, because it destroys the biggest masterpiece of the 18th century) 4.Nc3 Bg4 5.Nxe5?? Bxd1? (after 5...Nxe5 Legal´s name would be forgotten) 6.Bxf7+ Ke7 7. Nd5#.>

5. Nxe5!! where did you get this from? Has to be 5. Nxe5??

Dec-10-11  dumbgai: A common line I face in blitz is 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. Bc4 Bg4 4. Nc3 Nc6, setting the trap 5. Nxe5 Nxe5. Of course, the correct way to play is 5. h3 Bxf3 (5...Bh5 6. Nxe5 works now) 6. Qxf3. Of course White, with the superior piece development, is doing well here, but I'm always a tad disappointed to not get 5...Bh5.
Feb-28-12  Llawdogg: Wow! I've seen this a bunch of time in tactics books. It's good to see the original.
Apr-04-12  MarkThornton:


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Position after Black's 6th move. How did the game go?

Mark Thornton, British Chess Magazine, April 2012.

Aug-03-12  The Last Straw:


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