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   May-26-16 chessforum (replies) We have some of the Igor Kurnosov Memorial (2016) games but our difficultly in reading the official site ( ) is causing a brief delay. We'll get it on the homepage as soon as we sort out the details. My dear <mahmoudkubba> <How much each rating ...
   May-22-16 Blatny vs E Vladimirov, 1989 (replies) There was some earlier confusion over where to best begin this puzzle. The best point is what we show now, 25...?
   May-19-16 Biographer Bistro (replies) Good point Focus, that would certainly suffice.
   May-08-16 Chessgames Bookie chessforum (replies) Sorry about the delay, emails just went out to the 10 winners. If you still do not receive an email please contact or failing that contact me right here.
   Apr-29-16 Carlsen vs Eljanov, 2016 (replies) Switch to Harikrishna-Aronian?
   Apr-29-16 D Hausrath vs M Kraemer, 2006 (replies) We are very sorry for the scheduling mishap that unintentionally recycled last week's puzzle. Under the unusual circumstances we'll have two puzzles today and show you as well a rerun from 2004. See you over at Piskov vs M Krasenkow, 1989 (43. ?)
   Apr-27-16 Harikrishna vs M Vachier-Lagrave, 2016 (replies) We'd like to apologize for the scheduling mishap with the Carlsen vs Kramnik, 2016 game today. The scheduler failed to activate at the proper time. Daniel has located a typo introduced a few weeks back and believes this problem has been fixed. The remainder of the tournament ...
   Apr-25-16 Carlsen vs Kramnik, 2016 (replies) Please note that this game begins on Wednesday.
   Apr-06-16 Y Visser vs Speelman, 2006 (replies) There was a schedule problem with today's puzzle. Two different puzzles (one of them completely meaningless) were temporarily shown before we got it right. This is truly today's puzzle. In spite of appearances it's not a repeat: we used it before on move 27...? for a simple ...
   Mar-25-16 Caruana vs Svidler, 2016 (replies) Remember that Saturday the 26th is a rest day; this game will start at 8:00am USA/eastern on Sunday the 27th.
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Premium Chessgames Member < how? > The search engine wrongly reads the hidden HTML which has ruffled a few feathers in the past when people try to search for things like "CENTER" or "TABLE" or other HTMLish words.

So the old computer joke is true: when it's a nuisance it's a bug, but now that's it's useful it's an "undocumented feature."

Will it work for TIDs or PIDs? It will be very messy. The GIDs have the advantage of being the only 7-digit numbers we use, all of the other indices are much smaller. Suddenly it's a bug again.

May-25-16  zanzibar: It's too bad you don't allow some syntax like

@tid=<nnnn> or @pid=<nnnn> or @cid=<nnnn>

both for searches, and for posting.

* * * * *

The 1900 behavior is very bizarre, no matter how you slice it.

Somehow <CG> must have stored a date separate from the dates inside the PGN tag?

Hard to understand...

Has all games been corrected now?

(Too bad for me, I'm working off a snapshot. On the other hand, maybe I can scan the next timeslice to find all the mis-classified games).

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  SwitchingQuylthulg: Yes, all similar date anomalies in the database have been fixed.
Premium Chessgames Member <Somehow <CG> must have stored a date separate from the dates inside the PGN tag?>

Of course we do! It's a database, not a huge pile of text files. The shameful part is that the two data sources can get out of synch, but this has been tracked to admin error. The admins can do things that the software should prevent -- one day we'll fix that, but for now we're employing the age old technique of "stop doing that!"

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  WannaBe: Hal 9K: "I'm sorry Daniel, I'm afraid I can't let you do that."
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  Domdaniel: Hal, a little later: "I'm sorry, Daniel, I don't seem to be able to prevent you from doing that. So I've wiped all the database files instead..."
May-25-16  zanzibar: <<Somehow <CG> must have stored a date separate from the dates inside the PGN tag?>

<chessgames> Of course we do! It's a database, not a huge pile of text files. The shameful part is that the two data sources can get out of synch, but this has been tracked to admin error.>

Yes, actually, I did phrase it a little poorly. I meant to comment on the fact that a game date gets stored in two separate places. Do you do the same for the other PGN tags as well?

I would naturally think that those tags which are used by the DB get "factored" out of PGN, and only stored in the DB. Then such data, like a game date, is stored in just one place, never allowing for the possibility of becoming "de-synchronized" by being stored in two places.

I always thought the PGN would then get reconstructed on the fly, from the DB header data + whatever leftover "blob" data (e.g. movelist) is needed.

Seems to be just asking for trouble, to store the same data in two different places, otherwise.

May-25-16  zanzibar: BTW- I'm just trying to understand something.

I have a ZIP download that looks like I did on Feb 2015. When I unpack the zip file the PGN looks like it was prepared on Jan 1, 2015.

Now, it appears I found the <Schallopp--Gossip> game.

But the bogus date in the PGN matches the bogus date in the DB...


So, there's no "de-synchronizing" going on.

There's just a screw-up on the date thing going on.

Anybody can screw-up a date when submitting.

Isn't it just that simple?

Or did this game originally have a good date, and then <CG> munched it?

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  WannaBe: Blame Hal 9000
May-26-16  zanzibar: Yes, maybe I shouldn't wonder about this...

I seem to remember when the game was dated 1900 by <CG>, looking at the pgn4web PGN and seeing the 1890 date.

So I was expecting to find 1890 date in my ZIP file version.

So, is it true, that <CG> might use one procedure to make the PGN for pgn4web, and other while creating PGN for downloading?

Or should I just... "forget about it"?

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  Appaz: Sorry if this has already been requested and answered before, but would it be possible to make external links open in a new page?

There are already some preprocessing of urls in posts, so this would maybe not be a complicated change.

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  SwitchingQuylthulg: <zanzibar> The history of the Schallopp vs. Gossip game is more complicated than that.

Originally, this database had two copies of the game - one dated 1900 and ending with 17.Qxh6+ Kg8 18.Qg5+ Kh7 19.Rh6#, and one dated 1890 and ending with 16...Kg7 - neither of which had a synchronization problem. (It's possible your copy of the database is old enough to have both versions.) At some point, the two versions were tagged as duplicates and merged, with the 1900 score as the primary and the 1890 score as a stored alternate score. Then the game became desynchronized, with the 1900 date as the "official date" and the 1890 date in the PGN; at that point, it was part of, but the PGN in that .zip showed the 1890 date. The problem was fixed this April, and the game is now dated 1890 everywhere.

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  mahmoudkubba: Dear <<<ChessGames.Com>>>, Best wishes,
Can I ask the following important question? And if the answer is only to me please answer me through my forum. How much each rating point worth in real currency? For example in Canadian Dollar and/or US Dollar and/or Euro? So between ratings of 600 till say 2900 what are the real amounts? How to transfer a one point only to a real currency to cover some preparations and expenses for a real chess player??? And finally, how to transfer a one point from the rating even if in the cinema domain of the sleeping domain to real currency in such places??? With respect.
May-26-16  zanzibar: <Switch> thanks for that rundown.

It looks a little complicated, and dizzying...

It's similar, in a sense, to the "de-synchronization" problems that tournaments can face, I think.

Maybe all edits to the DB should go through a software layer to check proposed edits for integrity/congruence?

I'm interested because I'm thinking about some of these issues for my home-brewing.

May-26-16  sonia91: <> <2016 Chess Calendar>

Today the <Asian Individual Championship>s (open and women's) started in Tashkent.

Tomorrow the <European Women's Championship> will start.

On May 28th the <American Continental Championship> will start.

<Igor Kurnosov Memorial

A rapid tournament dedicated to the memory of GM Igor Kurnosov will be held from 26-28th May at the congress hall of the World Trade Center in Chelyabinsk, Russia. [...]

1 GM Grischuk Alexander RUS 2760
2 GM Rublevsky Sergei RUS 2738
3 GM Inarkiev Ernesto RUS 2729
4 GM Ponkratov Pavel RUS 2712
5 GM Movsesian Sergei ARM 2685
6 GM Khismatullin Denis RUS 2676
7 GM Riazantsev Alexander RUS 2675
8 GM Lysyj Igor RUS 2665
9 GM Bocharov Dmitry RUS 2659
10 GM Zvjaginsev Vadim RUS 2628
et al.>

Certainly a stronger rapid event than Short - Gretarsson (2016)

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  Domdaniel: <mahmoudkubba> The official answer is that there is no relation whatsoever between chess rating points and currency units.

Unofficially, of course, things are mmmmf mmmmf ngth!

May-26-16  thegoodanarchist: < ...

By the way, did you all know you can do kibitzing searches on game IDs? A genuine undocumented feature.>

If elected, Trump will build a firewall to keep those out.

Premium Chessgames Member We have some of the Igor Kurnosov Memorial (2016) games but our difficultly in reading the official site ( is causing a brief delay. We'll get it on the homepage as soon as we sort out the details.

My dear <mahmoudkubba> <How much each rating point worth in real currency?> I'm sorry I do not understand the question. Chess rating points are not a currency; you cannot exchange them for dollars or euros or yen.

May-26-16  thegoodanarchist: <Appaz: Sorry if this has already been requested and answered before, but would it be possible to make external links open in a new page?>

That's madness! Have you no decency?

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  Domdaniel: What do you get if you cross The Donald Trump with a reduced-visibility atmospheric phenomenon? Donald Fogg
May-26-16  zanzibar: <chessgames> can you give me the ability to just drop an image into a blank space on a biography?

Then, if there's no current image, we can just upload the new image. Maybe you can prompt for a caption to list the Source while we're at it.

I think it's a great idea, and far less frustrating than the current procedure, where basically, all my submissions get ignored.

It would save you the step of replying to my e-mail too. This way, if I'm going to be ignored, we can just do it directly.

What do you say?


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  Appaz: <<thegoodanarchist> That's madness! Have you no decency?>

No sorry, I can't help you there - but I do have a serious ache in my right-click finger.

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  mahmoudkubba: To <<<chessgames>>> and <<domdaniel>>:

As far as I know there is. But of course it is not that easy to give it to anybody from here and there. As I said it might be used to enhance the situation of a player, preparation matters and etc. U C even football players have this fantazya and it is well recognized in their world. But as far as I know since the time of Nemzo and even earlier ,,,, how they treated him when wining a tournament by giving him the prize he never dreamed of: 5000 Cuban Cigars and how he used to think that they are going to appreciate his winning in a good manner. It is the way chess players are treated and I am not an exemption. Any how it was said that only Kasparov and Bulgar and very few others are from those who make money from their games. Of course there are the other level those who write ch. books till we step by step reach the lower level almost all ch. players: They have to support their ch. apart from supporting their livings.


and no body even knows about the Rewards and Ajr and Thewab from God Almighty according to our way of thinking ... HaHaHa

With respect,


May-26-16  Alien Math: <mahmoudkubba .. Ajr and Thewab>

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  Tabanus: <CG> Will you eventually have more games from the European Individual Championship (2016)? You now have 472 games, Chess-Results ( has 617 games, yet Chess-Results has only half of the played games.
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