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   Jul-04-15 chessforum (replies) Somebody reported that the new "Spartan" browser (aka "Windows Edge") for Windows 10 can't view pgn4web. Embarrassingly, I don't have a Windows 10 computer handy to test this. Can anybody with Spartan confirm or deny?
   Jun-25-15 Norway Chess (2015) (replies) You're all invited to watch the tournament close out with J L Hammer vs Carlsen, 2015 . According to the computers, White is up a healthy pawn.
   Jun-25-15 Biographer Bistro (replies) The game in question was edited by Sargon in December of 2014, so yes, it might have been.
   Jun-21-15 CG Librarian chessforum (replies) <I'll describe some of the requires for the <CG> database design, as I see them.> I have some opinions on that post and I'll get back to you soon.
   Jun-20-15 10th Edmonton International (2015) (replies) Official site:
   Jun-12-15 So - Navara Match (2015) (replies) Official site:
   Jun-09-15 Nguyen Hoang Tuan vs Van Huy Nguyen, 2005 (replies) There was a typo, this is intended to be 32...? not 32.? Sorry for the confusion.
   Jun-08-15 Marshall Chess Club (replies) It's good to finally have such a famous institution in the database.
   May-31-15 FIDE Grand Prix Khanty-Mansiysk (2015) (replies) Please keep the discussion here on the top of the Khanty-Mansiysk Tournament. Thanks.
   May-28-15 Kibitzer's Café (replies) <Schwartz> I'm sorry, but using diagrams for that purpose is not condoned on the Kibitzer's Café. It just creates too much clutter. If you can find somebody willing to do that on their Chessforum then it's perfectly acceptable.
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  offramp: Keep things the way they are.
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  Abdel Irada: "The way things are" isn't working. If it were, this discussion would not have begun, much less continued.

Sockpuppets are taking over the site. You trip over them in every forum. They attack members and grandmasters alike, and if banned, they titter and come right back under another name because no mechanism is in place to discourage them.

There are ways to control this behavior. I think it's past time to adopt one of them. <al wazir> has suggested one; I another, and <Tabanus> a third. If <> doesn't like them, there are others.

But ignoring this problem won't make it go away.

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  WannaBe: We have discussed banning IPs, it was suggested by me, and discussed before:

Biographer Bistro

Above, is one of the link I found, another can be found in this forum, but I don't know which page or how long ago it was.

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  Abdel Irada: IP bans can be only a partial solution, because many ISPs, such as AOL, use dynamic IPs that change with every login.

However, taken in conjunction with manual registration, it could make a dent in the problem, so I think your idea has merit.

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  Penguincw: <WannaBe>

I believe this is the post you're looking for: chessforum.

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  WannaBe: <Penguincw> Yes, that is the one. Thank you for finding/posting the link.
Premium Chessgames Member <Abdel Irada> and <others>

On the topic of "anti troll measures" —

I'm sorry if I came across sounding sarcastic with the passport quip, and I do know that you are all trying to help. Some of the ideas discussed recently are good, others are untenable, but none of them are original.

We do in fact monitor IP addresses and from time to time block one. However, such blocks have to be only temporary, and even then innocent people end up getting caught up in it. Meanwhile there are 1 or 2 very pernicious trolls who are very well versed at changing IP addresses and this measure has no effect on them.

The idea of micro-charges to gain authorization is to my knowledge only used in one industry: websites that peddle smut. When they do it, it's usually under the guise of "proving you are 18", and then if you read the fine print you've just given them the right to bill you recurrently if you don't cancel your "free" subscription. In short, it's a scam. We don't want to model Chessgames after a scam born out of the adult industry.

The idea of monitoring new sign-ups takes place daily. I don't see any advantage to "manually approving new accounts", because unless the username is outrageous there'd be no reason for us to decline a new account. Admins can review all the accounts registered in the past 48 hours and when a name is inappropriate, action is taken. Occasionally we make a note to keep an eye on the person if we have reason to believe it might be a troll, based on IP address or just a pattern in the email or naming methods. They are still innocent until proven guilty.

Usernames like "temp.account" are not violations per se. We have to wait and see what the person does with the account. Usernames that imitate or mock another user get banned the instant we notice one, although sometimes one slips through and we need to be notified via the Whistle.

The one original idea that's been introduced recently is the PITA score system. Under this system, the rate at which you post is modulated by several factors, notably the number of people who ignore you. In the worst case, the rate of posting floors out at two posts daily. Some users have found an obvious workaround to the system: register 10 accounts, so that while each account is limited to two posts per day, they can still hop from account to account and end up with 20 posts daily. However, unless they are really careful, we can easily catch them hopping from account to account and then ban them on the grounds of multi-accounting. What's more, even if they can manage to juggle so many accounts that they can squeeze in 20 posts a day, by the very definition of the PITA score it must be true that they are massively ignored. And so their posts invariably fall on many dead ears.

My advice is twofold:

(1) First, if somebody is obviously a troll / stalker / joker, or if you just can't stand their contributions, ignore them. If you are alone or nearly alone in your assessment, then they won't be banned, but you won't have to read their posts. If many people agree with you, they will become severely limited in posting frequency, and possibly even banned.

(2) If somebody is clearly derailing a thread then please blow the Whistle. However, please note that this is much more critical for pages like Wesley So and Dortmund than our designated off-topic areas like the Kibitzer's Cafe.

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  MissScarlett: The round numbers for the Dortmund games are confusing.

Round one games are listed, respectively, as 1, 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3. I don't know what, if anything, the second number signifies.

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  WannaBe: Board number.
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  MissScarlett: I knew it all along. But when you play dumb, it's easier to find company.

So the game listed simply as 1 was played on board zero? And there are two games from both rounds 2 and 3 that are listed just as 2 and 3.

Consistently inconsistent.

Premium Chessgames Member We just publish the PGN from the official site and then try to clean it up afterwards.
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  Tabanus: The cleaners in this case includes the CG editors, as they can edit the round number. If the board number is to be included, it's best to do it now while this information is available.
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  Benzol: <chessgames> Could you please make S Kjellander vs E Secchi, 1959 a GOTD sometime soon.
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  MissScarlett: Nobody's interested in board numbers. You might as well record the players' shoe colours.
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  Annie K.: Well, in team championships it might be of some historical value to record which pair of players was on which board, but that information can go either in the tournament header or the kibitzing, no need to keep it in the PGN.

If the editors want to clean these round tags up manually, perhaps they could record the board information in one of those spots.

Or... any chance of a script that could also do that sort of cleaning up automatically? Obviously we wouldn't want a bot to barge in on an already written tourney intro, but perhaps it could use an account to post its data in the kibitzing, (and maybe even follow up by posting a link to its post to the Bistro for a heads-up, if we want to get *really* carried away...) ;) and the editors could then use the data from this post later?

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  Tabanus: <Or... any chance of a script that could also do that sort of cleaning up automatically?> Oh no... I don't trust that.

Let's skip the ugly board number in the pgn's!

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  notyetagm: <CG.COM>

Can we please have a forum for the super strong <6TH HAINAN DANZHOU GM TOURNAMENT>??

Wei Yi just played a stupendous <KING HUNT> in Round 2 against Bruzon.

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Premium Chessgames Member Sorry for being late on this one: 6th Hainan Danzhou (2015). Great game by Wei.

<Or... any chance of a script that could also do that sort of cleaning up automatically?> It would be trivial to turn "1.3" into "1", but during knockout events and similar structures the decimal is actually necessary, where 1.3 means "third game of round 1." Perhaps the admins can be given a button that says "strip decimals in round numbers" to be used on specific tournaments that need a cleanup.

I don't like the idea of stuffing the board numbers into the round fields, just like I don't approve of sticking country affiliations or ratings in the player names, or other such tactics. It's not academically incorrect.

Jul-03-15  N0B0DY: <MissScarlett: Nobody's interested in board numbers.> Quite so!
Premium Chessgames Member <Benzol: <chessgames> Could you please make S Kjellander vs E Secchi, 1959 a GOTD sometime soon.> Great game but it needs a title. Pun Submission Page
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  gauer: and are also keeping our southern neighbour's capital busy for the Independence Day weekend. See my profile if you were seeking a bit of progress sorting out some those other recent swiss series of the (CCA) congresses.

But due to holidays (happy fireworks days down there!), I wasn't sure if it would be easier for you to bulk-check those pgns (and some others have earlier years too) to match your pids.

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  Abdel Irada: <N0B0DY: <MissScarlett: Nobody's interested in board numbers.> Quite so!>

But how interested *are* you?

Premium Chessgames Member Somebody reported that the new "Spartan" browser (aka "Windows Edge") for Windows 10 can't view pgn4web. Embarrassingly, I don't have a Windows 10 computer handy to test this. Can anybody with Spartan confirm or deny?
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  offramp: Windows must be developed by five guys in a trailer park in Albuquerque. It had a good moment with XP but has then gone down and down and down and down and down and down. What are they up to?
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  tpstar: <> Happy Fourth of July!

Have a great weekend. =)

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