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   Mar-29-17 US Championship (2017) (replies) Everybody is invited to watch our feature game W So vs Shabalov, 2017 later today at 2:00pm USA/Eastern.
   Mar-28-17 chessforum (replies) Oh I get it now, it's a pun on that book by Adorjan "Black is OK". No worries, we can still use that pun.
   Mar-27-17 D Laylo vs Navara, 2009 (replies) We didn't intended to show a Navara loss on his birthday; it was just a fluke. Anyhow, losing a game this brilliant could be regarded as an honor.
   Mar-26-17 Biographer Bistro (replies) <Alpinemaster> If I could make one small point of constructive criticism, I think you overuse the italics feature. For example, in Sean J Manross you provided an excellent biography, but I don't like how you italicized "Susan Polgar World Open for Boys and Girls", "45th
   Mar-22-17 Larry Melvyn Evans (replies) I always enjoyed his Chess Life columns, especially after he began occasionally mentioning Chessgames. I don't believe he ever registered an account here but it's clear he frequented us regularly. We'll always miss you, Larry.
   Mar-14-17 Yifan Hou vs Li Chao, 2011 (replies) <I was about to renew my premium membership, until I saw this stupidity of a pun.> Luckily we're about to launch a new premium-only option called "suppress sight-puns."
   Mar-02-17 Tan Zhongyi vs A Muzychuk, 2017 (replies) Thanks to everybody for participating in our live broadcast of the Women's World Chess Championship. You are all encouraged to watch and discuss the tiebreaks tomorrow at our Women's World Championship (2017) page.
   Feb-27-17 E Horn vs K Cedikova, 2007 (replies) What immediately comes to mind, of course, is the finish to J Diaz vs D Freeman, 2004 ;-)
   Feb-15-17 Daniel Freeman Thanks everybody!
   Feb-11-17 Women's World Championship (2017) (replies) <Why does <> call it this instead of the more logical "Women's World Championship"?> We found that odd as well; we're just copying FIDE.
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  YouRang: <WannaBe: I think you would get more funny one liners than you intended...>

I think the funny ones would be welcome.

As some Joker once said, "Why so serious?"

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Cg I think <Maybe it could be set up like a lottery, so that one lucky poster out of a hundred could get to read a special user-suggested one, and as an extra bonus they'd get a special forum where they could add to the list of user-suggested ones as well?> is a fabulous idea.

Can I suggest a new one now, <MannBee> style?

<tactics blow from an inferior position>

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Here is some rare home video footage of <MannBee> out for a Sunday drive with his family, to sweeten the pot:

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  WannaBe: <tactics blow from an inferior position>

Oh, hooey, that can be interpreted soooooooo many different ways.

I shall return underground to my man hole now.

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  zanzibar: Looks like the new profile page for mobile users has been rolled out.

But do I really want the same on my laptop vs. the "old" way?

(Losing info here...)

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  WannaBe: Forgot to mention this, while watching NCAA basketball (March Madness) on CBS, there was a promo for 60 minutes and it had a bunch of kids playing chess.

Wonder what that was about (volumn was down at the watering hole, so I had no idea what the voice over said)...

And I think the episode is tonight.

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  WannaBe: <crawfb5> Thanks, I'll check it out later. =)
Premium Chessgames Member That was adorable.

Personally, I've been considering volunteering my own time at a local high school that has a chess club; that short video might have given me the urge to actually do it. (I just wish I had an anonymous rich benefactor to fund the effort.)

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  crawfb5: <I just wish I had an anonymous rich benefactor to fund the effort.>

Don't we all. :-)

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  zanzibar: <chessgames> What about Junge?
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  WannaBe: "No one has ever won by resigning"

Really? How about we ask the other player?


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  zanzibar: Yet another question for <CG>... ok, make that yet more questions:

I don't use it too often, but I owe some thanks for the Opening Explorer feature.

I normally tend to use SCID Tree Window feature, in conjunction with <MillBase>.

Lately, doing some opening studies, I've been comparing the two systems.

That's a long windup for the pitch - is it possible to just get an ECO code, or better yet, a position via a FEN to synch up Opening Explorer?

Newbie that I am, I've been just replaying all the moves via the OE movelists - which is a bit tedious.

SCID's Tree Window automatically works off any given position.

Another feature SCID Tree has is presenting the move occurrences not only with # games, but also with frequency as a percentage - which I find a better format to assimilate.

Also handy is <ELO> and <Year> (though I wish they also listed <Debut> with a link.

It's also a little too bad <CG> can't just allow any given position to have a comment section - in addition to the available game list.

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  WannaBe: <Z> At the bottom of the opening explorer page, is input by FEN and by moves, so you can copy/paste them in there.

There is a comment section, for the openings, but sometimes the moves are not that deep. Example: Scotch Game (C45)

At the bottom, there are kibit'n'.

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  zanzibar: <<WannaBe> At the bottom of the opening explorer page, is input by FEN and by moves, so you can copy/paste them in there.>

I saw, and tried that, but it didn't work.

Let me have another go...

I'm not sure all positions have kibitzing sections, I think only the major ECO code pages do.

Let me check that too...

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  zanzibar: RE: FEN input -

Oops, right you are <WannaBe>, I didn't scroll down far enough, and was using the output FEN textbox and not the input search textbox.

That's better, thanks.

Here's a position where I was wanting to kibitz:

Opening Explorer

I don't think I can though.

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  WannaBe: <Z> Sicilian, Najdorf (B96) is the forum for that opening, from the explorer, click/look under Opening Designations, then click on Opening: Sicilian

But it goes to 7th move, not as deep (to 11th move), like I mentioned. I use the Opening Explorer quite often when playing something that I'm not familiar with while playing Corr. Chess.

Mar-28-17  thegoodanarchist: Today's pun was somehow ruined.

It should have been "Black is K.O.'d" but someone truncated it.

Karpov vs Adorjan, 1989

This is NOT O.K.! (pun intended)

Premium Chessgames Member <zanzibar> When it comes to kibitzing, we're a bit reluctant to open up literally millions of new kibitzing pages, especially when the 500 we already have designated for opening discussion don't see much action.

If you really wanted to discuss the position you showed, you could go to Sicilian, Najdorf (B96) and say something like

<Hey people, I've been studying the following position and want to know what you think about it:

click for larger view


About going from a FEN to an OE page, it's very easy, just go to the front page of the OE and you'll find a form used for exactly that with the title <OPENING EXPLORER Search for Position by FEN String>

Opening Explorer FEN Lookup

Premium Chessgames Member <It should have been "Black is K.O.'d" but someone truncated it.> I'm sorry if I don't get the joke, but what's the difference? Is "Black is KO'd" a reference to something?
Premium Chessgames Member Oh I get it now, it's a pun on that book by Adorjan "Black is OK". No worries, we can still use that pun.
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  zanzibar: <chessgames> Yes, I wouldn't want to popular the DB with thousands of empty pages.

But creating the pages dynamically, that's a different model.

In other words, the page only gets created when someone tries to comment on a position. Easy enough to encode the unique FEN to tag the page, and you dynamically fill in the gamelist anyways.

Basically, some of the more interesting opening lines are very deep when the discussion about a new TN becomes relevant.

E.g. Najdorf (many lines), Marshall (Spanish), French Defense (Poisoned Pawn), etc., etc.

One could conceivably add a minimum number of games as a prerequisite.

In my case,

Opening Explorer

on Black's 11th move in the Najdorf, it's a position that maps into 11 games on <CG>. That's a goodly number.

And it's still a viable line, as it spans from 1980 to today, basically.

Next, I made a comment about the 11.Ndb5 TN on a game page, which is the earliest <CG> game. But, as I noted there, it's not the true debut, which <CG> is missing.

So, it would be nice for me to get ahead of the <CG> updating, (er, Junge comes to mind), to be able to comment on the position and not the game.

(And who knows if some corr game predates the 1979 game?)

* * * * *

One other nice SCID feature that I should mention here is that the list of games, sharing the same position, also lists the next move in a column on the table.

This is a nice feature that <CG> might consider adopting as well.

OK, thanks.

Mar-29-17  thegoodanarchist: < Oh I get it now, it's a pun on that book by Adorjan "Black is OK".>

I'm kind of surprised you didn't get the pun at first. There are lots of other puns that have been used, that I have to google or read other posters to figure out.

But then this one comes along, based on a famous <chess> book, and you didn't know it right away.

Just goes to show, what people think is well-known or common, isn't always so.

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  OhioChessFan: <zanzy> I had a somewhat similar thought about specific positions having a kibitzing page. My thoughts were more along the lines of current theory, a few plies past what the identifying ECO code is. Those could even be blue linked with a name like "Current Theory" and take you to an index page of the current mainline positions in a handful of major openings. That's about as far as I've gotten in my ruminations. Of course, today's go-to opening is tomorrow's busted line, so it might be pretty variable. Regardless, I have to agree with cg.c that the pages for openings are very little kibitzed on, some of them shockingly so.
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  OhioChessFan: As one utterly depressing example of the above:

Caro-Kann (B10)

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