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Nigel Short vs Xie Jun
Queens v Kings (2002), Jinan CHN, rd 1, Jul-21
Italian Game: Two Knights Defense. Polerio Defense Bishop Check line (C58)  ·  0-1
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Aug-30-02  refutor: i've just recently started playing this move order v. the two knights (1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Na5 6.Bb5+ Bd7?!) and i like 6. ... Bd7?! better than the mainline 6. ...c6 For starters, the pawn structure is much better (that isolated c-pawn always looks ugly) and the position isn't quite as sharp as it is after 6. ... c6 Any opinions on 6. ...Bd7? Obviously 7.Bxd7 gives equality, but an old (circa 1995 or so) NIC recommended 7.Qe2 trying to hold on to the pawn. Any ideas?
Nov-19-02  drukenknight: I like the move also, it's hard to fathom how c6 became the main line in all this, other than I guess black scored well even w/ c6.

I dont think 7 Bxd7 leads to equality. White has used his tempo to trade material whereas black has positioned his queen. It looks like the exchange simply puts black in the lead of development. Maybe that is acceptable though.

1957 MCO recommends: 7 Qe2 Bd6 8 00 00 9 Nc3 and gives white the advantage. Have no idea why that conclusion.

I have no idea when the main line became the main line but it looks so "affected" that you have to wonder whether there was some trap associated w/ 6...Bd7 that the old guys knew about.

Hmm, in this case w/ 7...Be7 you wonder if 8 Ne6 fxe6 8 Qxe5 Bxb5 9 d6 leads to something better for white.

Have to check to opening explorer to see how the old guys played it.

Nov-19-02  drukenknight: Just a follow up: After 7 Qe2 the open. explorer shows white w/ a whopping 59%-22.4%-26.5% breakdown (1-0; 1/2 1/2; 0-1)

However, it gets more interesting; blacks reply 7...Bd6 gets a disappointing 59-18-23 score, disappointing for black. But the newer move 7...Be7 gets way better: 30-30-40; actually favoring black to win! This variation appears to be much newer than Bd6

There are 22 games in the data base for 7...Bd6 and 20 for 7...Be7.

The only old guys I recognized were Anderssen/Falkbeer playing the older ...Bd6 line. Actually looked like black was going to win that one for a while. Then again Anderssen makes you feel that way.

Nov-20-02  refutor: according to A.C. Van der Tak in his article in NIC (1999 #3) Black can get away with either ...Bd6 or ...Be7 (and both end up with wild positions). an interesting line he gives in the ...Bd6 line is 8.Nc3 O-O 9.Bd2 Qd7 10.a3!? threatening 11.b4. he says that 10.O-O c6 11.dxc6 Nc6 is the mainline but that 10.a3 may be something to look at. in any case, this line can get hairy pretty quickly. obviously, he's writing from black's perspective but the lines look just as good to me as the "main line"
Jul-31-03  refutor: when is it time to bury a line? i have played this line religiously as black (1.e4 e5 2.♘f3 ♘c6 3.♗c4 ♘f6 4.♘g5 d5 5.exd5 ♘a5 6.♗b5+ ♗d7) and had remarkable results with it on the internet (85% + v. my normal 50% with everything else). the internet is my testing ground for OTB so i figured it was good to go. i got absolutely slaughtered in it OTB when white just attacked the center and ended up hanging on to his pawn and then storming my castled position. i have since returned to the caro-kann. but just generally, how do you decide whether to burn the midnight oil and find a fix, or just throw a variation to the scrapheap? i don't really want to play the main two knights line, because i think it's better for white (just my opinion), and i don't want to play 3. ... ♗c5 because i am deathly afraid of the evans gambit ;)
Feb-26-04  Helloween: I believe 6...Bd7 7.Qe2 Bd6 8.Nc3 0-0 9.Bxd7 Qxd7 10.a3 b6 11.d3 c6 12.b4 Nb7 13.dxc6 Qxc6 14.Nce4 Nd7 15.Qf3, threatening 16.Nxh7, is just punishment for Black (see Morozevich vs I Sokolov, 1999)

The line with 6...Bd7 7.Qe2 Be7 is only nominally better for Black, as 8.Nc3 0-0 9.Bxd7 Qxd7 10.0-0 Nxd5 11.Qxe5 c6 12.d3 Rfe8 13.Bd2 Bd6 14.Qd4 Nb4 15.Bf4 gives White an edge.

Feb-26-04  BiLL RobeRTiE: maybe try 5...Nd4 or 5...b5 instead!
Aug-18-15  floydAkash: Is there a reason why 35...Nf1+ 36.Kg1 Ne3 doesn't work?
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