|Oct-13-02|| ||Woodpusher: chalk up a point for the iron idiot !! |
|Oct-13-02|| ||drukenknight: pull out your computer sets folks as dk shows Kramnik how to play against the machine! Looks like this one starts at about move 32, folks. |
|Oct-15-02|| ||Outcast Searcher: OK, why can't black save himself with 34 ... Qe6 ? Surely Kramnik didn't miss 35 Ne7+, so I must be missing a tactical shot. With the outside passed pawn black has, white has to think twice about forcing the trade of Q's with 35 f4. Is there a site that actually discusses a GM's comments on the games? All I've seen are vague reporters articles about the match overall. |
|Oct-15-02|| ||bishop: Outcast, your not missing anything. Kramnik indeed overlooked the knight check. After 34...Qe6 35.Nxb6 Qxb6 36.Qxe5 it most certainly would have been a draw. |
|Oct-16-02|| ||drukenknight: bishop: after the sequence you give, white would have material and the move, he would appear to be winning. I dont see how black stops that. |
A better move for black would appear to be 32...Qc7 33 Nb5 Qb8 Put that in your computer and see if a drawing sequence follows. I dont have a computer but it would be interesting to see what comes up.
|Oct-16-02|| ||Outcast Searcher: Thanks bishop. I think your line looks drawish. Surely with all the pawns connected and on the same side, and both kings reasonably sheltered this is at least as drawish as dk's line, where white is still a pawn ahead, black has relegated his queen to a very passive role/position, and there are pawns on both sides if white can force a queen exchange. |
|Oct-16-02|| ||drukenknight: how often you see one side having both move and material, Outcast? |
|Oct-16-02|| ||drukenknight: after
34...Qe6 35.Nxb6 Qxb6 36.Qxe5
what do you suggest black do? Are you going to pronounce this draw, w/o giving us the next move?
|Nov-14-03|| ||Dick Brain: why don't world champions play moves like 34... Qc4 against me? |
|Oct-06-04|| ||Whitehat1963: Kramnik trots out the opening of the day against Fritz. Fritz is not impressed. |
|Mar-19-05|| ||PinkPanther: <Dick Brain>
They do, you just don't know how to refute them :)
|Jul-11-08|| ||apexin: Game Five
Deep Fritz – Vladimir Kramnik (2807)
Brains in Bahrain (5), 13.10.2002 [D57]
Will Kramnik be able to exchange queens early and keep everything under
No, this time it is different, as Fritz’s experience with 1.e4 has been unpleasant.
1...Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 d5 4.Nc3 Be7 5.Bg5 h6 6.Bh4 0-0 7.e3 Ne4
The Lasker variation has a rock-solid reputation, another advantage is that some
pieces are usually exchanged early.
8.Bxe7 Qxe7 9.cxd5 Nxc3 10.bxc3 exd5 11.Qb3 Rd8 12.c4 dxc4
13.Bxc4 Nc6 14.Be2
Deep Fritz does not want to exchange his bishop after Na5, of course.
The following bishop fianchetto secures Black’s queenside.
“Curiously this position already arose in the game between Kramnik (White)
and his second in Bahrain, Christopher Lutz, in 1994. Kramnik evaluated it as
completely equal in his notes in ChessBase Magazine.” (Schulz)
16.Rac1 Na5 17.Qb2 Rac8= Kramnik,V-Lutz,C Germany 1994.
16...Rac8 17.Qa4 Na5
A typical maneuver to get rid of the backward pawn on c7 and to activate Black’s
rooks. In the following game, Black became too active: 17.Qb2 Rd5 18.Rc3
Ra5 19.a3 Nd8 20.Rac1 Ne6 21.Ne5 Rd8 22.Bc4 c5 23.dxc5 Rxc5 24.f4
Bd5 25.Bf1 Rdc8 26.Qb4 Qb7 27.Rxc5 Nxc5 28.Rd1 Be6 29.Be2 Qe4
30.Qd4 Qc2 31.Bf3 Qb3 0-1, Kummer,H- Ostrowski,A Oberwart 1998.
18.Rc3 c5 19.Rac1 cxd4 20.Nxd4
In the game Kosyrev-Podgaets, Moscow 2002, a draw was agreed here.
20…Rxc3 21.Rxc3 Rc8
Kramnik wants to exchange more pieces to emphasize his queenside majority.
22.Rxc8+ Bxc8 23.h3 g6?
I don’t like this move, as White gets pressure and the initiative, and both are
very dangerous against a computer. Instead 23...Qd7!?.
“Deep Fritz has some pressure. The Na5 is badly placed.” (Schulz
|Jul-11-08|| ||apexin: 24...Bd7 25.Qc2 Qc5 26.Qe4
Of course, Fritz does not want to exchange queens: 26.Qxc5? bxc5 and Black
clearly has the better endgame.
26...Qc1+ 27.Kh2 Qc7+ 28.g3 Nc4
The knight has to come back to help defend the dark squares around Black’s
29.Be2 Ne5 30.Bb5
30.Bf1 is interesting as well, to keep more pieces on the board.
30...Bxb5 31.Nxb5 Qc5 32.Nxa7 Qa5 33.Kg2 Qxa2 34.Nc8 Qc4??
An unbelievable tactical blunder. I think that Kramnik would have seen this
against a human. 34...Nc4?! 35.Ne7+ Kg7 36.Qd4+ Kh7 37.Nd5 looks dangerous.
34...Qe6!? was called for, as the endgame after 35.Nxb6 Qxb6 36.Qxe5
gives Black drawing chances. However, Deep Fritz has access to the endgame
database Q+P vs. Q, so Kramnik would have to defend extremely long and
tenaciously to escape, if at all possible.
35...Kf8 36. Qxe5i, as the e7-knight is protected by White’s queen
|Feb-04-09|| ||WhiteRook48: Kramnik should be able to see over a move ahead|
|Mar-29-09|| ||WhiteRook48: 34...Qc4?? drops a piece|
|Feb-11-11|| ||Llawdogg: Wow! This game is a spooky prefiguring of another Fritz versus Kramnik Queen's Gambit game where Kramnik also blunders on move 34 in an apparent attempt at trading queens. |
34 ... Qc4?? here in 2002 is just like 34 ... Qe3?? there in 2006.
Amazing! The blunder of the century prefigured!