|Mar-26-03|| ||Rookpawn: If a viewer wonders about Black's queen sacrifice, I encourage him or her to play over the "Immortal Draw," Hamppe vs Meitner, 1872 . |
|Jun-07-03|| ||Voxation: why did black resign? |
|Jun-07-03|| ||sleepkid: ..because white succeeds in making an out for his King, and after that, his material advantage will come into play. 18. ...dxe4 19. Re1 Kd7 (protecting the bishop and threatening b6 mate) 20. Rxe6 Kxe6 and now, though the position is still complicated, Black has no direct mating threats, since he can't advance b6 without losing the knight. At this point white probably brings his Queen in to play (21. g4+ f5 22. Qxg7) if black moves the knight, the white king simply wanders off via b4. |
|Aug-20-03|| ||dukesterdog: So has Wind refuted the "Immortal Draw"? |
|Aug-20-03|| ||Calli: "refuted the "Immortal Draw"? "
Perhaps, the improvment being Kb5 instead of b4. Maybe 11...b6 is an improvement for Black.
|Aug-21-03|| ||dukesterdog: Of the two possible lines I see one looks good for White, and the other looks about even :|
a) 11...b6 12. d4 exd4 13. Qxd4 Ne7 14. Qxc5 Bd7+ 15. Kb4 bxc5+ 16. Kxc5 and White is up a minor piece although his King is still exposed
b) 11...Ne7 [Now if 12. Kxc5, then Black plays a5 leading to the draw] 12. Qe1 a5 13. Qxe5 Na6 14. Kxa5 Nb8+ 15. Kb4 Nc6+ 16. Kb3 Nxe5 17. d4 ... and Whites King has made it to safety with roughly even chances.
|Apr-16-04|| ||InspiredByMorphy: The queen sac is atrocious 8. ... Bg4 9. Be2 Nc6 10.c3 b5 11. Nc5 Qc4+ 12. Kc2 Nd4+ 13.Kb1 Nxe2
Whites position is cramped and black has attacking chances everywhere with much better development. Not to mention the queen side pawns ready to storm the king on b1. |
|Jul-08-04|| ||trogdor: after 11.Kb5 my computer goes on like this 11. ...b6 12.d4 exd4 13.Qxd4 Ne7 14.Qe5 f6. Then it claims black can mate white in 7 moves and rufeses to continue playing. But the line doesn't look right. It doesn't give me whites 15th move either it just says 15...a5 16.Qxe7+ Kxe7 17.Kc6 Rd8 18.Bf4 Bd7+....... Then it goes on with more nonsense, but I'm using the extreme chess program. |
|Jul-09-04|| ||Theoryhack: Dukesterdog's lines seem to be right, though after 11 ne7, c4! seems to be winning for White - albeit an "only" move.|
Tseitlin & Glazkov give 7 Qe1 as refuting the whole attack anyway, though Shredder does have Kc3 as it's first choice initially. T&G may be wrong...
|Jul-09-04|| ||chessdr: InspiredByMorphy: I like the possibilities of 8. ... Bg4, but what do you do after 9. Nf3? White has more resources that way. |
|Jul-09-04|| ||chessdr: Theoryhack: After 7 Qe1 try 7. ... Bd7 with direct threats against the knight and weird threats against the f1 bishop. After 8. Nc3 dxe4+ I like black a lot, as in 9. Nxe4 f5; 9. Qxe4 Bf5; 9. Kc4 e3+ 10. Kb3 Nc6.|
After 8. b3 Bb5+ 9. c4 dxc4+ 10. Kc3 Bxa4 11. bxa4 Nf6 white keeps the piece for two pawns but his position looks awful. I don't know -- after 12. d3 Qg4 who would you rather be?
|Jun-14-05|| ||TheAlchemist: Black's draw has gone with the Wind.|
|Oct-18-06|| ||crafty: 12. b4 e7 13. bxa5 xa5+ 14. xa5 c6+ 15. b5 (eval 3.47; depth 14 ply; 2000M nodes)|
|Oct-29-07|| ||whiteshark: Simple development with <8... Nc6> should win. No intention to sac the , even if it's monday.|
|Dec-14-07|| ||Sibahi: Wow, I actually figured out a clue :D|
|Dec-14-07|| ||Doktorn: Grats, Sibahi. I was going in another direction. "Almost equal to" "infinite" (timewise) "draw". So I checked the longest draws, and then tried to figure out a way to only search for long correspondance draws.|
|Jan-26-08|| ||RookFile: The whole game is kind of silly in a way. With the common sense retreat 3... Be7, you start to wonder what exactly that knight is doing on a4. Black would welcome 4. Qg4 Nf6 5. Qxg7 Rg8 with a big lead in development.|
|Mar-25-09|| ||WhiteRook48: blown away by the Wind|
|Jun-14-09|| ||WhiteRook48: 3 Na4?? fails|