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|Apr-26-12|| ||sevenseaman: <LoveThatJoker> <31. h3 Ng8> would be a brave new solution, a very impressive line! Except that Black does not have to play 31...Ng8. He plays 31. Qf4 instead. (It was M>Hassan>'s line and I spent some time on it)|
The move puts a poser to White; if he takes the R with the P his Q goes, if he takes the Black Q the R escapes from the 'h' P by retaking with it.
I have tried very hard to resolve the dilemma but so far I am still searching for some light. See if you can find an answer.
|Apr-26-12|| ||gofer: <<jamboree> <34. ... Rg4! 35. Qxg4 Qc5>>|
How about going for the win without the queen sac. Isn't that even more
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White to force black to resign in two moves, as the only way to
avoid mate is to give up its queen!
|Apr-26-12|| ||sevenseaman: A very comprehensive view <gofer>. Black not taking the B with the N on the first move had intrigued me. Admittedly I had not considered this variation at all in my first solution. It took me some effort to find 33. Qh4+ in the line if Black responded 31...Rxe5.|
Damn good show. Indeed why I read your kibitzes regularly.
Your last move is a typo. It needed to be 37. Qxa8
|Apr-26-12|| ||whiteshark: I went for the shoddy <31.h3>. :(|
|Apr-26-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: <whiteshark> 31. h3 is not shoddy, man! It is entirely winning. |
The funny thing is that after 31. h3 Rf4, White is forced to go into the game continuation's tactical ideas in order to prove the win. :D
And after 31. h3 Qf4! 32. Rxe4! Nxe4 33. Qb6! White's extra pawns will decide in the endgame.
31. h3 is valid as an alternate solution but only if the poster finds all of these ideas - coupled with the ones that I brought to the fore.
|Apr-26-12|| ||chrisowen: Taking on e4 advantage in currently, bishop in effect sediment |
clearance in line rook takes night take bean up it down in dig fertile
31.bxe4 nxe4 32.rxe4 rxe4 and killer smooth 33.qg5+ in glorify it food
in for thought mating along back rank or dropping queen bin feed
approach 31.rxe4 also gets squeezed <32.rxe4+ nxe4 33.qh4+>.
|Apr-26-12|| ||asiduodiego: Beautiful combination!. I saw the first moves. The pawn on e4 seems doomed from the start. I saw 31 Bxe4! Nxe4? (it was preferable 31 ... Rxe4 32 Rxe4 Nxe4 33 Re1 and the Knight is gone anyway) 32 Rxe4 Rxe4 33 Qg5+ Ke8 And I thought "Well, after this, I can check and snatch the a8 Rook and I'm two pawns ahead, anyway". But I didn't saw the quiet move 34 f6!! And the mate is unavoidable in the next move. Brilliant!.|
|Apr-26-12|| ||mikmik777: White to play: 31.?
Anand vs P H Nielsen
(31. ...Rxe4 32.Rxe4 Nxe4 33.Qh4+ Nf6 34.Qb4+ Ke8 35.Re1+ Kd7 36.Re7+ skewering Black's queen)
(33. ...f6 34.Qg7+ wins Black queen again)
And, I think it's mate in two moves.
Time to check.
|Apr-26-12|| ||mikmik777: There was a slight deviation on move 33 but it's the same result..|
|Apr-26-12|| ||whiteshark: You've gotta <LTJ>! :D|
|Apr-26-12|| ||goldenbear: Easiest puzzle so far this week...|
|Apr-26-12|| ||Kruglov: <gofer> It seems that the best line of defense for Black is 31. Bxe4! Nxe4 32. Rxe4+ Rxe4 33. Qg5+ Ke8 34. f6! Rg4 35. Qxg4 Qc5 36. Qd7+ Kf8 37. Qd8+ Rxd8 38. Rxd8#|
|Apr-26-12|| ||gofer: <Kruglov: <gofer> It seems that the best line of defense for Black is 31. Bxe4! Nxe4 32. Rxe4+ Rxe4 33. Qg5+ Ke8 34. f6! Rg4 35. Qxg4 Qc5 36. Qd7+ Kf8 37. Qd8+ Rxd8 38. Rxd8#>|
<Crafty EGT> disagrees with you. <31 ... Nxe4> loses too quickly.
Have a play with the <Crafty EGT> link from <Sevensman>.
31. Bxe4! Nxe4
32. Rxe4+ Rxe4
33. Qg5+ Ke8
34. f6! Rg4
35. Qxg4 Qc5
Also, as I was hinting, I prefer rubbing salt into black's wounds, rather
than chucking in my queen.
36. Qg8+ Qf8
37. Qg5! ...
Black has to play
37. ... Qh8
38. Qe5+ Kf8
39. Qd6+ Kg8
40. Rg1+ Kh7
41. Qd3+ Kh6
|Apr-26-12|| ||CHESSTTCAMPS: In this middle-game attacking position, white has the black king virtually immobilized in the middle, protected only by a twice attacked e-pawn. The undeveloped Ra8 is another big problem for black. Clearly white *should* win and e4 is the focus of the position, but there are opportunities for white to go wrong. Initially I was interested in 31.h3(?) to try to displace the Rg4 from the defense of the e-pawn, but after 31... Qf4! black appears to be better. Eventually, a better idea I'd been looking at came together:|
Direct and correct. I knew the rook recapture was easy to beat, but at first I didn't see how to follow-up the knight recapture.
A) 31... Rxe4 32.Rxe4+ Nxe4 33.Qh4+ Nf6 34.Re1+ Kf8 35.Qh8+! Ng8 36.f6 and Qg7# follows.
A1) 33... f6 34.Qh7+ wins the Q
A2) 33... Kf8/e8 34.Qh8+ Ke7 35.Qxa8 and white is up exchange+pawn with black's king still hopelessly exposed.
A3) 34... Kd7 35.Qxf6 Qc5 (otherwise Re7+) 36.Qxf7+ Kc6 37.Re6+ wins.
B) 31... Nxe4 32.f6+! Ke6 (Ke8 33.Qh8+ Rg8 34.Qxg8#) 33.Qh3 decisively pins the Rg4 with Ne4 already pinned:
B1) 33... Rg8? 34.Rxe4+ Kf5 35.Qf3+ Rf4 36.Rd5+ wins.
B2) 33... Kf5 34.Rxe4 Kxe4 (Rg8 35.Qf3+) 35.Qxg4+ Ke3 (Ke5 36.Qg3+) 36.Re1+ Kd3 (Kf2 37.Qe2#) 37.Qe4+ Kd2 38.Qe2#
B3) 33... Kxf6 34.Qxg4 wins quickly.
B4) 33... Qf4 (best) 34.Rd4 Ke5 35,Qh5+ Kxf6 36.R4xe4 Qxe4 37.Rxe4 Rxe4 38.Qf3+ Ke5 39.Qxf7 looks like a winning ending (Q+2Ps for 2 disconnected rooks + doomed b7 pawn.
C) 33... Other 34.Bxb7+ (among others) wins.
Time for review....
|Apr-26-12|| ||kevin86: A beautiful combination by the future champ! I have to admit,I didn't see it coming...|
|Apr-26-12|| ||Jimfromprovidence: I found the alternative solution posted by <LTJ> much more intersting than the text, particularly the line |
31 h3 Qf4 32 Rxe4+ Nxe4 33 Qb6!
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White threatens both 34 Qxb7+ and 34 hxg4 and black now cannot prevent the loss of one of his rooks.
|Apr-26-12|| ||chrisowen: <31.h3> And in why it regains rook with an overall better position to |
boot fair say it oh free 16.nf5 in tease 16...bf8? looks like defence
lessen the impact 5.ng5 stoat among pigeons 9...c5 many it is wins for
black after 10.c3 Nielsens 11.a6 too lowly nb5s not on the cards
16...bf4 keeps count down to one ng7+! ensures a marginal plus in for
goofball Vishy in bag her guess f6 grief in ergo chickpea the chap
resent arm in g5+ kinge8 f6 lo you are i should think finished off Heine
safe in this h3 tell f4 ami near lynch in babaji marching ke7 off.
|Apr-26-12|| ||eyalbd: Got it!
Black's Queen is either lost or getting widow :-)
|Apr-26-12|| ||cyclon: Huh, tough guy at the steering wheel today, but let's try. My trove was 31. Bxe4 <( threatening 32. Bxb7+ or Bf3+ )> 31. -Rxe4 <( -Nxe4 32. Rxe4+ Rxe4 33. Qg5+ and -Ke8 34. Qg8+/ -f6 34.Qg7+/ -Kf8 34. f6 all 'Lord of the Rings' )> 32. Rxe4+ Nxe4 33. Qh4+ Nf6 <( -Ke8/f8 34. Qh8+/ 33. -f6 34. Qh7+ )> 34. Re1+ Kd6 <( -Kf8 35. Qh6+/ -Kd7 35. Qxf6/ -Kd8 35. Qxf6+ )> 35. Qxf6+ Kd5 <( -Kc5 36. b4+ )> 36. c4+ and it's Lord of the Rings.|
|Apr-26-12|| ||cyclon: There was an inaccuracy in my game line, meaningless 34. Qg8+ instead of immediate 34. f6, but White can still transpose regarding position.|
|Apr-26-12|| ||voyager39: Didn't get it this time.|
|Apr-26-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: <whiteshark> Yes sir!|
<Jimfromprovidence> Thanks for the kind note, man! Much appreciated!
|Apr-26-12|| ||Patriot: White is up a pawn.
I think the answer is going to be 31.h3 followed by 32.Bxe4. I don't see a good response for black.
Well I missed it. I'll have to look at this further.
|Apr-26-12|| ||stst: 31.h3 to display the R, followed by Bxe4.
The dis+ on e-file is too much for Black.
Surely there're numerous other lines after 31.h3....
|Apr-26-12|| ||sevenseaman: <stst>
Nice. Your solution is viable if you incorporate some improvements. Lot of solvers have gone for this natural looking line. I can count at least 5 off hand.
<LoveThatJoker> made a very heroic effort, <jimfromprovidence> has put the line in a commendable good perspective.
If you study their posts you will see many different and interesting angles.
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