Jun-17-04
 | | refutor: i played a blitz game today and knew the main line was 12.d4, but decided to play 12. h3 regardless, assuming that my opponent would throw everything at the kingside, but wouldn't be able to play ...Ng4. and he can't! if 14.hxg4 Qh4 15.Qf3 Qh2+ 16.Kf1 Qh1+ 17.Ke2 Re8+ 18.Kd3 and White's king is in a hairy position but overall he should be able to hang on. any thoughts? 12.h3 seems good enough to me |
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| Jul-25-04 | | stormflyer: <refutor> On playchess.com today I attended a lecture from GM Boris Alterman about the Marshall Gambit. White needs to play the main line 12.d4, as 12.h3 actually loses! After 15.Qf3 in your line, Black should play 15...Bh2+. Now, 16.Kf1 Bxg4 17.Qe4 Bf4! 18.g3 Qh2 19.gxf4 Bh3+ 20.Ke2 Rae8 and Black is clearly winning. It should be noted that 15.g3 doesn't work, either. 15...Bxg3 16.fxg3 Qxg3+ 17.Kf1 Bxg4 and now if 18.Qc2 then 18...Bh3+ 19.Ke2 and 19...Rfe8+ and 19...Rae8+ both suffice to mate White in a few more moves. |
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| Jul-25-04 | | stormflyer: These Marshall Attack lines are extremely interesting so I thought I'd include what was discussed about White's 14th move options (declining the knight sac). Black still wins. Before that, though, I'd like to comment on how I think the Marshall Attack is a great response to the Ruy Lopez for amateurs, and at the GM level it still has value. I was considering playing it before GM Alterman's lecture, and now I definitely will. There are so many opportunities for White to go wrong, especially after 11...Nf6 rather than the theoretically fashionable 11...c6. Even if White is well prepared, it is certainly exciting play. 14.g3 Nxf2!! 15.Kxf2 Bxg3+ 16.Kxg3 Qg5+ 17.Kf2 (17.Kh2 Qf4+ 18.Kg2 Bb7+ 19.Kg1 Qg3+ 20.Kf1 Qg2#) 17...Qh4+ 18.Kg2 Qxh3+ 19.Kf2 Qh4+ 20.Kg2 Bb7+ or 14.Qf3 Qh4. Now White might try to play 15.Re8 because the Rook on f8 is preventing White from playing Qxf7+. This looks like a good move, but the refutation is 15...Bb7! 16.Rxf8+ Rxf8 17.Qxg4 Qe7. White's Queen now is forced to retreat. A line from here might be 18.Qd1 Re8 19.Kf1 Qg5 20.f3 Qg3 21.d4 Qh2. |
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| Jun-16-05 | | ArturoRivera: why is winning for white if black captures with check, the king must move or the bishop capture, no mate allowed anymore, black is winning, the score must be wrong! |
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| Jun-16-05 | | ArturoRivera: just like this game L Steiner vs K Helling, 1928 |
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| Jun-17-05 | | aw1988: Sorry, I thought the variation was obvious to Marshall players. I meant gxh3 Qh4 followed by Qh3 with ruinous loss of material, but white avoids this by playing Re3. |
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sac: 14...Nxf2