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| Aug-05-12 | | tivrfoa: I can't remember the last time I got an Insane. I could realize that the only way to save the game for black was playing 33. ... Qg4 =) |
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| Aug-05-12 | | Patriot: It took me a while to see this but I think 33...Qg4!! wins. 34.Rxg4 interferes with the bishop's defense of f3. 34...Nf3+ 35.Kh1 Nxd2 36.Rxg5+ Kh6 37.Rf5 Nxb3  White's pawns start falling like a house of cards. 34.Qxg5+ Qxg5 35.Rxg5 Kh6 forks bishop and rook .
34.hxg4 Bxd2
34.Bxg4 Bxd2 Black maintains an extra piece.
This would be very tough to see in a game. I only found this because I looked for ways to break the pin, creating a real threat to the white queen. And also being aware of the knight's potential forks on f3. |
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| Aug-05-12 | | Patriot: After 34.Rxg4 Nf3+ 35.Kh1 Nxd2 36.Rxg5+ Kh6, I missed the simple 37.h4 which defends the rook. |
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| Aug-05-12 | | stst: First sight: both Black B and N are in excellent positions: BxQ and Nf3+ to fork both White Q and R, but actually none of these succeed: B is pinned by R and N will be captured by B.
Black's next best move would be to sac the Q in subsequent re-capture:
33.....Qg4 (to block the pin)
34.RxQ (toughest response, better than QxB+, or BxQ) Nf3+ forking Q
35.Kh1 NxQ
36.RxB+ Kh6
37.h4 (protects R, R protects B) Nxb3 and Black is on way to take the White Pawns for a win. White's R and B insufficient to create threats, and Black still got a R to get into play.
See how master Burn come up with something very different!? |
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| Aug-05-12 | | stst: Turn out master Burn agreed with me... though of course I need to dig deeper to score fully... |
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| Aug-05-12 | | stst: <Is it because I have memorized all of the important games by chess masters. (I wish!)>
Humble as it sounds, I doubt the truth!
I would rather rely on logic than memory, though memory certainly helps (esp. in GM plays.)
Here, as analyzed, Black has no better moves than the Qg4, on mentally tracking subsequent variations of other alternatives. Hence I would not give Qg4 a !!!, though OTB it certainly needs a master like Burn to educe that. |
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| Aug-05-12 | | xthred: Deep stuff. Black looked cooked. |
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| Aug-05-12 | | QueenMe: kellmano: <but it does leave White a piece down for a pawn > Yes, but that's exactly how things began. I have no problem with one being occasionally required to come up with an "insane"-ly brillinat move just to stay in the game, or to retain an existing material advantage. Perhaps the key to understanding why this is so briliant is to simply statically analyze the initial situation: Black is technically a piece up, but his Bishop (and probably King) is doomed unless White comes up with a real cracker. |
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| Aug-05-12 | | stst: <I won't ruin it for you, you will have to buy your own copy to see what its all about. (I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THIS BOOK!!!!!!!)>
Sorry to bother!! As "afficionados" (or just faked afficionados" we're poor people who never afford such luxury.
Could anyone share this (or part of this) on-line!? |
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Aug-05-12
 | | chrisowen: Colda tie ball breaker... in g4 roar Amos in just again dry it hope in stave it off in ghost a shell it alive in for empty it only try in oyster nf3 og hurt winger in up again g1 g4 joy forever beatufil! |
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Aug-05-12
| | chrisowen: Defensive resource completely shattering blacks hopes objectively drawing cherubim queen boing g4 angel hand down inter-gfile-ference, looking stalemate he he he king becomes unbridled as right in rook dangling g4 fifth element nf3 in aether it regains the queen in e2 got to hand in him eg as masking checker in bolthole ar got majesty rock in g3 but at least black has staved off my capital concern bubbling up ply g5 doesnt drop in straight away g4 provide another clincher great rivalry Edmond sure put up aware resistance only one for cheeky can of worms it hope in great complexity finish look in equal it yeah in germinate the seedling g4. |
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| Aug-05-12 | | JohnBoy: This is unfair for me - I was just recently going though S Levitsky vs Marshall, 1912 and followed the link to this game given by <FSR> (25 July 12). One look at the position and my reading of the analysis all came back. I don't care what anyone says. That Burn could will his hand to move that black queen to g4 deserves my awe. I wonder if he had it in mind for a while or was in pure survival mode. Interesting is the <syracrophy> puzzle on page 1 of these comments. I believe the solution there is 1.Bg4 - anyone care to contradict or corroborate? |
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| Aug-05-12 | | DanielBryant: My first thought was actually Qxh3, followed by the clearance sac Nf3+ to set up Rh8+. However, Black doesn't even have enough material left to set up a mating net. |
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| Aug-05-12 | | Once: <QueenMe> All of the POTDs equate to one thing - what is the best move in the position? Not necessarily a move which mates. Not necessarily a move which wins material. In some cases, the best move might be the one that salvages a draw from a difficult position. Or, as in today's POTD, dodges some threatening tactics. Can you find a better move for black than 33...Qg4? If none of us can, then that is today's solution. |
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| Aug-05-12 | | Dr. Pipit Wagtail: <stst>
The Levitsky-Marshall game of 1912 refered to in earlier posts today regarding The Joys of Chess can be found at the below link: http://www.chesshere.com/forums_top...
As a small aside... not being a wordsmith... would overuse of the word "meretricious" be considered in and of itself.... meretricious?? |
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| Aug-05-12 | | Patriot: There is a common idea here that occurred in one of my own games. My opponent played 10.Qe2 here:
click for larger viewMy pawn is pinned so by unpinning it with 10...Qe7, I'm free to win a piece. In the POTD black's bishop is pinned and if it can be unpinned successfully, the white queen may fall. Knowing these kinds of ideas can help you spot them during a game efficiently. And seeing tactical elements like Nf3+, even though it may not be possible yet, can help piece together a workable combination. |
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| Aug-05-12 | | morfishine: <FSR> Its obvious that <34.Bxg4> loses for White fairly handily. I find it hard to believe that <LM> would state <34.Bxg4, Bxd2; does NOT look like a win, in fact, (without an engine); it looks like Black might be struggling to make a draw ... (it) hardly looks like "an easy knock-out."> when its clear that White is struggling to draw if not is already downright lost. This statement by <LM> defies rational analysis |
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Aug-05-12
 | | Jimfromprovidence: Here's another game with a bolt-out-of-the-blue move. It's white to play and win. Move 21.
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The game link is below
Sutovsky vs E Inarkiev, 2009 |
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| Aug-05-12 | | Conrad93: I should have realized that removing the pin was the best tactic... |
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| Aug-05-12 | | morfishine: <Jimfromprovidence> That is terrific your post with the game Sutovsky vs E Inarkiev, 2009 I wanted to add your overall posts for the past couple of weeks have been outstanding, to say the least! Morf |
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| Aug-05-12 | | QueenMe: <Once>: Actually, at the time I posted I found only 4 posts (well, 5, but one [from <ajile>] was conceded to be a line generated from Rybka). And of the remaining 4, 2 were mere mentions of it; hardly rising to the level of "analysis" you credit them for. And even so, in 4 (at the time) pages of kibitzing, that meant that only about one player per page commented on it. It's important because it continues to defend the night fork at f3, and guarantees that black has simply an exchange of queens. Moreover, I did fully concede, in a later post, that the move, while not resulting in a mate or other decisive win, DOES prevent the loss of the otherwise-doomed pinned bishop. Collaborating my point, BTW, is a similar post wondering why so few people mentioned 33) Be4. My main point was that I expected roughly 1/3 of the folks to be bringing up 34) Bxg4 instead of capturing with the rook, since there are three different ways the Queen can be captured (plus it has to obvious appeal of preserving defense of the knight fork, while capturing with the rook doesn't). |
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| Aug-05-12 | | Eduardo Leon: Easiest Sunday I have ever solved. 33...♕g4 breaks the pin, and if white restores it with 34.♖xg4, then 34...♘f3+ 35.♔(any) ♘xd2 36.♖xg5+ ♔h6!, a nasty surprise. |
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| Aug-05-12 | | Marmot PFL: 34 Bxg4 is not worth analyzing. As <gofer> pointed out the key line is 34 Rxg4 Nf3+ 35 Kg3! when it is black, not white, who still has to fight to draw. if black plays as in the game with 35...Nxd2 36 Rxg5+ Kh6 then 37 Kg4 threatening Rg6+ and Rxd6 puts white on top and if instead 36...Kf8 white's passed h pawn is dangerous. |
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| Aug-05-12 | | raul555: I found the cue winner move in one minute: Qg4; but I am lazy, and I din't follow the secuence |
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| Aug-05-12 | | Mendrys: Moves like 33...Qg4 are beauties that captured my interest in chess while I was in my teens. Not that I got it though but to be honest, it's not the deepest move I've seen lately. Surely not as deep as Anand's 24...Nc7 in Karjakin vs Anand, 2006 <QueenMe> It's ok to be humbled every once in a while. Finding out that perhaps you aren't, perhaps, cut from a different "mould" by not seeing that 34. Bxg4 is the only way white can ensure his own defeat, must be humbling indeed. Perhaps that assumption is wrong though . I'm sure that you'll find, if you look, moves that are gross blunders in tomorrows puzzle too that a certain percentage of the kibbitzers here don't mention. |
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