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|Sep-30-06|| ||gabikiwi: of course 31...Qg4|
|Sep-30-06|| ||jahhaj: <handro1104> 32.Rxf6 Bxf6 33.Bxf6 Qg4 and Black wins.|
|Sep-30-06|| ||handro1104: <jahhaj> Thank you; you are correct.|
|Sep-30-06|| ||Calculon: I'd call this game 'Smbat the Failure'.|
|Sep-30-06|| ||outplayer: I saw 31.Nd7!! but I didn't calculate its consequences.It seems to be absurd but its amzingly right. I thought about 31.Ng4 too. I got the feeling that Razuvaev thought for a long time here. he has repeated the moves until see the right plan. its very difficult.|
|Sep-30-06|| ||Willem Wallekers: I thought Nd7 rather obvious without pretending having seen all sidelines in one glance.|
|Sep-30-06|| ||ganesh957: Men I thought 31.Nd7 would be answered by ...Bxd7 32.Bxf6 Bxf6 33.Rxf6 Rc6 and I can't see better than a perpetual. What am I forgetting?|
|Sep-30-06|| ||ganesh957: Sorry I think that 32.Rxf6 has to be played followed by ...Rc6 (32...Bxf6 33.Bxf6) 33.Qxh5+ Kg7 34.Qh6+ Kg8 35.Qh8+ Kxh8 36.Rh6++ Kg8 37.Rh8#. Right?|
|Sep-30-06|| ||chessmoron: <RandomVisitor> I think on your diagram, you are missing a bishop on c8, therefore if 26. Ng4 then Bg4 and white loses.|
|Sep-30-06|| ||RandomVisitor: <chessmoron>The diagram is from the game pgn file... I think it correct prior to White's 28th move.|
|Sep-30-06|| ||kevin86: I missed out---my try was Rxf6----|
|Sep-30-06|| ||marcwordsmith: Somebody please tell me, what if Black takes white's rook on d6 on move 29, instead of Bc8?|
|Sep-30-06|| ||GoldenKnight: <jahhaj: I found the right move almost straightaway. If you look at the position is clear that White has two strong possibilities that Black can do little about, Rh6# and Qg7#. So this puzzle is all about clearing lines so White can deliver one of those mates. Nd7 and Ng4 both seem to fit the bill, but Ng4 fails because after 31.Ng4 Bxg4 Black is protecting the h5 square so after 32.Bxf6 Rg8 White can't play 33.Qxh5.>|
This is the analysis I went through in my solution as well. As I looked at this position it became simple: the only thing holding White up was that his own Knight was in the way, so I looked for the most advantageous means of getting it out of the way. Nd7 was the only one that filled the bill by the above analysis. (31.Nf3 also allows 31. ... Bg4.)
I was reminded of a question Botvinnik asked Tal during one tournament: "Why did you sacrifice that pawn?" Tal: "Because it was in the way." (I wasn't just reminded of it, I actually used that quote for inspiration while I was seeking the solution to this puzzle.)
<The only line that held me up at all was 31.Nd7 Rg8 but then I saw that 32.Nxc6+ Bxc6 33.Qh5+ leads to mate.>
Just a minor quibble: I think you mean 32.Nxf6+, Bxf6.
|Sep-30-06|| ||turielQNAC: <marcwordsmith> after 29...Bxd6 white has clear win (this will make happy those who chose the wrong 31.Ng4 instead of 31.Nd7 since here it works) 30.Qg5+ Kh7 31.Ng4 so if black plays: |
or 31...Nxg4 32.Qg7#
or 31...Be5 32.Nxf6+ Bxf6 33.Bxf6 ...(Rg8 35.Qh5#)anything else 35.Qg7#
same goes for 31...Be7, 31...Qe7, 31...Qe6 31...Qe5
i won't analyze it furhter but you get the point
hope it was helpful
|Sep-30-06|| ||marcwordsmith: Again, IS ANYBODY OUT THERE???
What happens if Black moves 29. . . Bxd6?
I'm looking at 30. Qxf6, Qe7 31. Qh6, f6 32. Ng6, Qg7.
That wins for Black, doesn't it??
|Sep-30-06|| ||mdz: Black could put up a very strong resistance with 21...Rc6|
|Sep-30-06|| ||mdz: If Razuvaev also had found 26.Ng4!! hg 27.Rd5! he would be a genius :)|
|Sep-30-06|| ||LIFE Master AJ: One of the most spectacular examples of line clearance I ever had the pleasure to behold ... no, I did not get it. (I was sure it had to be a Rook sac on f6, I saw Ng4, but I also saw that it failed. I never even considered 31.Nd7!!)|
|Sep-30-06|| ||LIFE Master AJ: <RV> Your diagram looks wrong, the Black Bishop should have been on c8, not a6.|
|Sep-30-06|| ||tor2ga: Bc1 seems sufficient -- no need to calculate any lengthy mate-in-N variations. (I must be missing something.)|
|Sep-30-06|| ||tor2ga: Oh, D'OH! Silly me :-P|
|Sep-30-06|| ||GoldenKnight: <LIFE Master AJ: One of the most spectacular examples of line clearance I ever had the pleasure to behold ... no, I did not get it. (I was sure it had to be a Rook sac on f6, I saw Ng4, but I also saw that it failed. I never even considered 31.Nd7!!)> |
I appreciate your humility. Yes, the rook sac looked most obvious, and I considered it for a while before looking for other means. That's why I didn't solve it "right away" as others did. As I mentioned in my post, remembering Tal's quote to Botvinnik (actually, keeping strong fixation on it) really helped me with this one. That quote really made quite an impression on me, as it gave great insight into Tal's playing for position and not material like most of us do.
|Oct-02-06|| ||LIFE Master AJ: <GoldenKnight>
I wonder how many people say they got it, when in truth, they didn't have a clue. (And not just this puzzle ...)
|Oct-10-11|| ||CustardTart: marcwordsmith:
I guess if 29... B*d6, then 30 Qg5+ Kh7 31 Ng4 hg (Ng4 Qg7++) 32 B*fg Rg8 (to save Qg7++) 33 Qh5++
|Sep-04-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: GOTD: Razor's Edge
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