| Jun-10-05 | | Jaymthetactician: This is the line I play against the f4 attack, except with 2...e6 first. 13.cxd4 is better, as the center is better supported + open file to black's king, Philidor played this game rather poorly, as 5...f5? is too bad for any modern master to want to play. |
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| Jun-13-05 | | InspiredByMorphy: <Jaym> <5...f5? is too bad for any modern master to want to play.> According to the database 5. ...f6 is the most commonly played move - Opening Explorer . Black doesent plan on playing ...fxe5 and white doesent plan on playing exf6 developing blacks knight to its natural square. This being said, I dont see what the big difference is between 5. ...f6 and 5. ...f5 . They both clear the f7 square for the knight. |
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| Jul-11-05 | | BrownRecluse: I thought that Philidor died in 1795. He found Atwood to be such an interesing opponent that his ghost hung around! |
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Jul-11-05
 | | TheAlchemist: <farrooj, Knight13> Check out the commentary for Andrey D Mingrelia and stop complaining already :-) |
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| Jul-11-05 | | paul dorion: There are other games between those two and they are dated correctly. 1801 is misprint or may just be the publication date for that one. 5...f5 does not look so bad even tough f6 gives more options. 11...o-o-o looks premature. It was time to play cxd4 as
12 Nxd4 is met by Bc5. With Rc8 to follow black would have a large advance in development to compensate for his bad bishop. |
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| Jul-13-05 | | farrooj: so all the 1801 games are wrong in this database? Maybe they were all taken from the same PGN |
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| Jul-13-05 | | sneaky pete: This game is from 1794. Philidor played without sight of the board, as he did in the other 2 games against Atwood from 1794 to be found in this database. The Oxford Encyclopedia has 20 more games from 1795 between Philidor and Atwood, with Philidor giving odds in most of them, as well as Atwood games played between 1795 and 1800 against Verdoni, J.M.Bruhl, J.Wilson and last but not least <?>, one of the the most popular players around here. One can conclude that Atwood was one of London's leading players at the end of the 18th century. |
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| Jul-24-05 | | Giearth: Yup, definitely from 1794 game. www.chesslab.com database shows the year 1794. |
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Jul-27-06
 | | An Englishman: Good Evening: We all know about the power of a Rook on the seventh, but back in 1794, Atwood's hungry hog must have been quite a revelation. |
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| Feb-01-08 | | wolfmaster: The three games in 1794 were all 40 moves! |
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| Mar-25-08 | | Knight13: <TheAlchemist: <farrooj, Knight13> Check out the commentary for Andrey D Mingrelia and stop complaining already :-)> I think our posts were dishonerably deleted. I have no I dea what I said in this game, though. A good way is probably to play ...h6 ...g5 somewhere in the middle game and start counterattacking. But seriously I think Philidor castled into the wrong side and plays the weakening move 14...b6?!. 5...f5 is also not that good. |
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| Aug-06-09 | | ariel el luchador: no entiendo porque las negras jugaron 24)P5A Uno de las peores partidas de Filidor |
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| Aug-08-09 | | ariel el luchador: Dudo que Filidor haya jugado esta partida con negras ,Filidor era un buen jugador y la jugada 24) P5A es decididamente pésima e innecesaria. |
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| Jul-18-16 | | juanhernandez: a melting down !!! |
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| Jul-18-16 | | Eduardo Leon: 24...c4 is incomprehensible. Black is already worse, his knight in particular being horribly misplaced on d8. (Imagine the position if it were on b6 instead.) But 24...c4 doesn't solve anything. It just opens the d file for white's book. |
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Jul-26-24
 | | Honza Cervenka: <Eduardo Leon> <24...c4 is incomprehensible.> At that point black was already lost. His main mistake was 12...Nxd4?? instead of natural 12...Bc5, and such a mistake can be explained by the fact that this game Philidor played blindfolded together with two other games. 24...c4 has its setbacks but at least it prevents unpleasant Nd3, as well as c3-c4. Other options of black were not significantly better. |
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| Jul-27-24 | | FM David H. Levin: <Honza Cervenka: <Eduardo Leon> <24...c4 is incomprehensible.> At that point black was already lost. His main mistake was 12...Nxd4?? instead of natural 12...Bc5, and such a mistake can be explained by the fact that this game Philidor played blindfolded together with two other games.> Perhaps Black was concerned about 12...Bc5 13. Nxf5, but Black seems to get excellent compensation after
13...Bxe3 14. Nxe3 Rdf8. For example, 15. Qd2 g5 16. g3 h5 17. h4 gxf4 18. gxf4 Nh6. 
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Jul-27-24
| | Honza Cervenka: <Perhaps Black was concerned about 12...Bc5 13. Nxf5, but Black seems to get excellent compensation after 13...Bxe3 14. Nxe3 Rdf8.> Yes, 12...Bc5 13.Nxf5 is quite risky, if not bad. 13...Bxe3 14.Nxe3 Rdf8 is fine for black and 14...Rhf8 15.Qd2 g5 16.g3 d4 can be even better. |
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