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City of Amsterdam vs City of Rotterdam
"Holland Oats" (game of the day Mar-31-2009)
City Match (1824), Postal
Van't Kruijs Opening: General (A00)  ·  1-0


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May-10-05  Jaymthetactician: Hey! Check out this hypermodernism! Well before Reti. Just why doesnt white pick off the bishop with a knight?
May-20-05  Jaymthetactician: Amsterdam Rule's! They like, totally rule man!
Apr-15-06  MarkN: this could be a puzzle- 29. ?
Apr-15-06  IMDONE4: This was a game somewhat horribly played. The two opponents seemed to know nothing about weak squares. And what was white playing? A white Schevening Sicilian?
Feb-19-09  swarmoflocusts: The City of Amsterdam missed the win 15.f5! Ne3 16.fxe6 Qxe6 17.Qe1/c1 Nxf1 18.N/Bxf1 (Fritz eval. 1.89).

In the final moves, Rotterdam committed a series of blunders in a lost position: 27...Nb6 (6.45 -- Bf8 - 3.29); 28...Bf8 (11.64 -- Nxd5 - 6.71); Bxg7 (26.75 -- Rxg7 - 12.69).

Mar-31-09  holland oats: Hey thanks Chessgames!
Mar-31-09  newzild: I had the same thought as Jaymthetactician - "this is some kind of weird Reti!".

Yes, the game was pretty bad, but when you consider hypermodernism was still 100 years away...

Mar-31-09  nimh: Maybe Rotten Oats would've been a better pun? :)
Mar-31-09  apexin: What about simple 29...Kg8
Was this a postal game or were they drunk?
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  whiteshark: I wonder what time conditions they had?
Mar-31-09  apexin: Was Amsterdam as tolerant to drugs and alcohol in the 19th century? It certainly looks like both sides were on something(absinth?)
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  patzer2: The play with 23. f6! illustrates a good dismantling of a weakened castled position.

If 23...g6, then 24. f7+ Rxf7 25. Rxf7 Qxf7 26. Nxd6 wins a piece with the deflection tactic.

If 29...Kg8, then 30. Ng5! is winning.

Mar-31-09  sharro: what were the conditions for team play here
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  kevin86: I hope I don't get "in dutch" for saying this-but :Why is this "dam" game the GOTD?-lol

The queen fork is a real show stopper.

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  Chessmensch: What was 12...Na7 about--or the subsequent moves he eventually made with that knight for that matter?
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  Chessmensch: I wonder if Rotterdam went postal after this game? If you're not familiar with the term, see this:
Mar-31-09  WhiteRook48: nice exploiting of knight forks
Mar-31-09  soberknight: <patzer2> "The play with 23. f6! illustrates a good dismantling of a weakened castled position. If 23...g6, then 24. f7+ Rxf7 25. Rxf7 Qxf7 26. Nxd6 wins a piece with the deflection tactic."

I'm not seeing it. Can't Black play 25...Kxf7 and not Qxf7? White can try Qf2 or Qh4 but I don't see any immediate gain.

Mar-31-09  holland oats: <soberknight> after 23...g6 24. f7+ Rxf7 25. Rxf7 Kxf7 26.Qf2+ Kg8 27.Nf6+ forks everything or 26...Kg7 27.Qf6+ wins the bishop.
Mar-31-09  chillowack: I don't know why people are saying this was a bad game; I thought White played very well. Yes, the opening is a little old-fashioned, but White showed a good grasp of such chess principles as control of central squares, pawn levers, central knight outposts, deflection, tactical pawn sacrifices, rook lifts/doubling, control of weak squares, and forcing sequences. I think this is worthy of being a GOTD.
Apr-01-09  apexin: <chillowack> It was GOTD only because it is a game where perhaps Reti's ideas came from.
Apr-01-09  ILikeFruits: dam vs dam...
dam it...
Apr-08-09  newzild: <chillowack> Well, for example, 7.Na4 was pretty odd considering white chose not to take the bishop and later retreated the knight again (loss of two tempi). Not too many modern players would chose 12.e4, either. These days, folks would aim to play d4. And 27.Bxg7 was a reasonably obvious blunder.

But like I said earlier, it's still interesting to see a Reti 100 years before the opening was "invented"!

Nov-13-12  BU51DAD: Confused by the opening play...
Love the tactics of the ending
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