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Wlodzimierz Schmidt vs Josef Augustin
Halle DSV (1976), Halle GDR, Oct-??
Zukertort Opening: Queen's Gambit Invitation (A04)  ·  1-0
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May-13-08  TheaN: 2/2

37.Re8+ Rxe8 38.Rg8 Kxg8 (Ke7 39.dxe8=Q+) 39.dxe8=Q+ wins easily.

Common theme, nice end though. 36.Rg1+ was a bit slow, though, as mentioned earlier.

May-13-08  JG27Pyth: In my previous post I say black has no answer for Ng8+ and although I believe that is correct, I think the threat of 28.Nh5+ is even stronger (and suggesting Ng8+ sort of leads one to wonder -- what was wrong with the more obvious Nh5?)
May-13-08  MaxxLange: <JG27Pyth> It looks to me like 26.Qc3+ Rf6 27. Qxf6+ Qxf6 28. Nxf6 wins outright. Black cannot play 28...Rg8 29. Rxg8#, and White threatens 29. Re7.

Unless we have something wrong, White just missed this line.

This is a blunder pattern I have noticed in my own games, by the way. When an idea does not work, or (in this case) you don't get to play it, you file it away in the dead letter office of your brain, and don't even think of it when it comes up again a few moves later.

May-13-08  cydmd: <johnlspouge> Have you thought about 36.Re8+ Rf8 37.Rg8+ Kh8! ?
May-13-08
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  johnlspouge: <<cydmd> wrote: <johnlspouge> Have you thought about 36.Re8+ Rf8 37.Rg8+ Kh8! ?>

Yes, but I only had time to post the line for best play before going out the door.

38.Rxf8 Rxf8 39.Re1 (threatening 40.Re8)

is much worse for Black than the line I gave.

May-13-08  JG27Pyth: <Max Lange:Black cannot play 28...Rg8 29. Rxg8#> Arrgh. I get inaccurate when I do notation without reference to the board, just in my head... 28...Rg8 is nonsense! I meant Rf8, but all the same you are right... the back rank threat also makes Rf8 a threat without teeth. White would win material, but if you check out my earlier post (hopefully without too many inaccuracies in the notation!) retaking with Nf6 is even stronger!

<...you file it away in the dead letter office of your brain...> exactly right. I'm very familiar with this phenomena. Something similarcomes up all the time solving puzzles... you miss some resource available and write off the winning line. And, as a corollary, then you obsessively return to recalculating the line you _want_ to make work, though you've proved it doesn't five different ways... and with that comment, we've linked our puzzle sidebar up with JohnLSpouge's :)

Flow chart, please.

May-13-08
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  gawain: This was very easy because there were so few moves to try--but what a beautiful puzzle it is!
May-13-08  MaxxLange: <JG27Pyth> We are missing simply 26. Qxc3+ Qe5
May-13-08
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  dzechiel: <zanshin: <dzechiel: I have either seen this one before, or I have seen this theme before.>

You solved this back on November 14, 2006.>

I knew this was familiar! I should have checked the earlier kibitzing. Thanks for the heads-up.

May-13-08  sleepyirv: That was fun! Nice set up for a decoy.
May-13-08
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  kevin86: At first,I tried the wrong move:

37 ♖g8+?? ♔xg8 38 ♖e8+ ♖f8 and white is toast.

The correct move is to check at e8 first. 37 ♖e8+ ♖xe8 38 ♖g8+ diverts the king away and forces home the pawn.

May-13-08
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  YouRang: Got it in a flash. :-)

When, as a kid, I first learned this "trick" of having a pawn on the 7th rank with a rook on an ajacent file, I managed to use it frequently to win games.

My favorite was in high school when I beat a teacher (who played chess with students in the gym during lunch) in a position something like this:


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And I surprised him (and some onlookers) with the bishop sacrifice: Bb5!

His first reaction was to offer to let me take the move back! :-)

May-13-08  Rama: Why did black not go through with his plan of 34. ... Rd4.

After 35. Rxd4 cxd4, 36. d7 d3, 37. Re8+ Kg2, 38. Rxd8 d2, 39. R-any d1(Q)+, black queens with check and should draw.

May-13-08
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  johnlspouge: <<dzechiel> wrote: <zanshin: <dzechiel: I have either seen this one before, or I have seen this theme before.> You solved this back on November 14, 2006.>

I knew this was familiar! I should have checked the earlier kibitzing. [snip]>

Uh, <dzechiel>, chessgames.com truncates your kibitzing back to mid-2007. But you guys <are> joking, right? (:>}

May-13-08  JG27Pyth: <We are missing simply 26. Qxc3+ Qe5> GOOD LORD. Speaking of dead letter files -- there's another phenomena... the faulty line that really NEEDS another look...I KNOW I looked at that, I swear I looked at it and I somehow decided it didn't work! Bizarre.
May-13-08
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  dzechiel: <<johnlspouge> Uh, <dzechiel>, chessgames.com truncates your kibitzing back to mid-2007. But you guys <are> joking, right? (:>}>

Hi, John,

Nope, just look at the beginning of the kibitzing for this game and you will see my post from about 18 months ago. I'm not sure what you mean by "truncating your kibitzing", as I see messages from long before that on this system.

Dave

May-13-08  234: Monday puzzle <26. ...?> May-12-08 R Grau vs V Fernandez Coria, 1924
May-13-08
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  DarthStapler: Solved it
May-13-08
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  johnlspouge: <<<dzechiel> wrote: <<johnlspouge> Uh, <dzechiel>, chessgames.com truncates your kibitzing back to mid-2007. But you guys <are> joking, right? (:>}>

Nope, just look at the beginning of the kibitzing for this game and you will see my post from about 18 months ago.>

Hi, Dave.

You are right, of course. I did not check here, back past your post today. So, you had deja vu, quite literally... Got it!

<I'm not sure what you mean by "truncating your kibitzing", as I see messages from long before that on this system.>

When I went to your chessforum and checked your kibitzing, even with "More", the kibitzing record there seemed only to go back to mid-2007. I allow that I might be in error, as always...

John

May-13-08
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  johnlspouge: <<YouRang> wrote: [snip] His first reaction was to offer to let me take the move back! :-)>

Hi, <YouRang>! It's certainly a good story, but did you ever consider that your teacher might have been much more savvy than you think? ;>)

May-13-08
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  YouRang: <johnlspouge: <<YouRang> wrote: [snip] His first reaction was to offer to let me take the move back! :-)> Hi, <YouRang>! It's certainly a good story, but did you ever consider that your teacher might have been much more savvy than you think? ;>)>

You mean perhaps he saw the danger and took a chance that I would accept his offer (hoping that I blundered into a good move)? :-)

If so, he was a good actor. He looked surprised when I made the move, and he looked genuinely surprised again when I declined his offer.

After looking at the position for a few moments, I think he started to understand the threats, because he then said to me (in his best Boris Karloff voice) <"There is method to your madness!">, lol.

May-13-08
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  YouRang: <kevin86: At first,I tried the wrong move:

37 ♖g8+?? ♔xg8 38 ♖e8+ ♖f8 and white is toast. >

Or, the simpler 37...Kxe7

May-13-08  robinpark98: 38. Rg8+!! Kxg8 39. dxe8=Q+
38. Rg8+!! Ke7 dxe8=Q+
May-15-08
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  patzer2: For the Tuesday May 13, 2008 puzzle solution, White plays 37. Re8+ as a decoy sacrifice to set up 37...Rxe8 38. Rg8+ Kxg8 39. dxe8 (Q) as a winning Queen promotion.
Jan-11-09  WhiteRook48: now that's what I call the best double rook sac ever!
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