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|Oct-10-05|| ||aw1988: Your ignore list must be reaching bursting point.|
|Oct-10-05|| ||ughaibu: Aw1988: the great thing about being on someone's ignore list is that you can say exactly whatever you like about them without worrying about offending them. Think of the freedom Csmath has just granted you, what would you like to say about him first?|
|Oct-10-05|| ||csmath: Here is the line:
25. ... Qb7
and the intention is to play d5 as soon as possible.
26. c3 ... bxc3
27. Rxc3 ... d5!
28. exd5 ... Nxd5
29. Nxd5 ... Rbxd5
black now command d-file and has positional advantage since white queen is not placed well. He also has pawn majority on the kingside that can be used for the attack.
This ought to be played on. I understand why Anand drew the last game with Topalov but I don't understand why did he draw this one.
|Oct-10-05|| ||aw1988: <ughaibu> Much as what I've just said. Much of what he says appears to be putrid garbage not worth considering...|
|Oct-10-05|| ||aw1988: Worst of all, I think he's actually being serious.|
|Oct-10-05|| ||thomaspaine: <aw1988>: It was very rude of you. If you disagreed with <csmath>, instead discuss with him the relevent points. In general, I enjoy his posts, especially his after-game analysis for these games.|
I found his post exactly correct, and completely agreed with it. Shameful play by Adams and Anand, especially considering that just across their table, Topa (who doesn't need to fight this hard; he could coast on draws) and Moro (same pnts as Anand) are having a delightful battle.
|Oct-10-05|| ||aw1988: I've tried being nice to csmath, as I have with everyone. But his posts are so ridiculously far off I just deeply loathe them. |
I don't see why this draw should be shameful, especially as there doesn't seem to be much fighting for here...
|Oct-10-05|| ||thomaspaine: <aw1988>: You could have said the same thing to <csmath> without the insults :)|
|Oct-10-05|| ||aw1988: I just said that: "I've tried being nice, as I have with everyone"|
|Oct-10-05|| ||iron maiden: <aw1988>, hang in there. Trolls don't always speak your language.|
|Oct-10-05|| ||aw1988: The funny thing is, when I came here in June 2004 one of my first questions I think on the Kasimdzhanov page was, not a direct quote, 'why is everyone fighting', to which I got the response 'we're human beings'. Heh.|
|Oct-10-05|| ||thomaspaine: <aw1988> I have no intention of 'fighting' or offending you. I was just curious why such sudden hostility towards <csmath>.|
|Oct-10-05|| ||aw1988: No problem. I'm sorry if it bothers you, our forums have been a little, uh, cluttered.|
|Oct-10-05|| ||csmath: <Trolls don't always speak your language.>|
But they surely speak yours.
|Oct-10-05|| ||iron maiden: Unfortunately that's not the case either.|
|Oct-10-05|| ||arjunkakar: This game is an example of two players low on self confidence. White didnt play like he was ever trying to win - and considering his aweful form in tournament - one can see why adams did that. From anand's side it shows that he has given up trying to win the tournament. Otherwise he wouldnt have accepted a draw so early.|
|Oct-10-05|| ||lostemperor: For the predictioncontest, I predicted this to be a draw in 25 moves. I guess I should be glad but not really. |
I did not do well in predicting the gameresults this tournament. I seem to make the right predictions on the wrong moments:) But I think I can be satisfied about guessing the number of moves in the games (;.
This was an expected calculated draw from both sides. Adams, out of form, trying not to be in last place with white versus the topseed Anand with black, who didn't persue first place anymore. I predicted only as little three short draws in this tournament so far in 10 rounds and there was about only three. In one of them Svidler vs Adams I also made a comment. Though I was dead wrong on Svidler Leko (what was a win for white) what can happen;).
Usually the amount of short draws is much bigger in tournaments. But like I said if there is a will to win there is a way, and we don't be needing anti-drawrule like the one I have suggested in another page. But mostly that will is away.
|Oct-10-05|| ||euripides: Bth players may have seen something they were frightened of. |
25...Qc4 ? drops the rook. After 25...Qb7, one line that needs analysis is 26 Qxb5 when White should get some more material for the a pawn, but I'm not sure if it works.
|Oct-10-05|| ||euripides: One line that leads to a draw is 25...Qb7 26 Qxb5 axb5 27 a6 Qa7 28 Nd5 Qd7 29 Nb6 with repetition. I imagine there may be improvements on both sides, but something like this may have caused the draw agreement.|
|Oct-10-05|| ||csmath: <<This game is an example of two players low on self confidence.>>|
I think that is a fair assessment.
Anand is out of contention now while Adams is happy not to be on the very bottom, it seems.
|Oct-10-05|| ||Ulhumbrus: On 25...Qb7 26 Rd1!(not c3) 26...d5 27 exd5 Nxd5 28 Qe4! (instead of Nxd5) pins the Nd5 and on 28...Qc7 29 N2c4 seems adequate. A reasonable explanation for the draw is that both players believed that there was nothing more in it than a draw.|
|Oct-10-05|| ||csmath: 25. ... Qb7
26. Rd1 (this move does not deserve exclamation)... d5
27. exd5 ... Nxd5
28. Qe4 ... Nh4
29. Nf3 ... f5
30. Qxe5 ... Nxf3
31. gxf3 ... Bf6
32. Qe6 ... Kh7
33. Rac1 ... Nxb6
34. Rxd8 ... Bxd8
35. axb6 ... Qxf3
black gets the b-pawn in a superior ending.
I am not saying it has to go this way but I do not see absolutely any reason to desert the game at this stage, this is nothing more than a GM draw.
|Oct-10-05|| ||csmath: These guys made a GM draw, we can go back and forth analysing the middlegame but this middlegame was deserted because they were both happy with a draw.|
Adams' play in San Luis is pretty pathetic. And Anand is not much better, he basically resigned all his chances to fight for the WC.
|Oct-10-05|| ||euripides: <csmath> Analysis isn't some optional extra: it's integral to assessment. Dogmatism in chessplayers is a tell-tale sign of low playing strength.|
After 25...Qb7 26 Qxb5 I suspect both players thought Black would be worse if he didn't settle for a draw. But it's only a guess.
|Oct-10-05|| ||Ulhumbrus: On 25...Qb7 26 Rd1 d5 27 ed Nxd5 28 Qe4 Nh4 instead 28 Nf3 White has 28 f3 answering the threat on g2 .On 28...f5 29 Qc4 maintains the pin on the rook on d5. On 29..Kh8 30 Nf1 may be adequate.|
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