| Dec-21-05 | | acirce: Great preparation by Kramnik. And since I play this line too, now I know what to play against 14.c4, so apart from its general theoretical interest this game is of great relevance to me personally. Thanks Vlad! |
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| Dec-21-05 | | yogi1986: why not 19. ...Ba4 avoiding the perpetual? Black looks better with connected rooks while white has some weaknesses |
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Dec-21-05
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Dec-21-05
| | Gypsy: <acirc> I seem to notice that the 'Kramnik bishops', Bd6-Bd7 are rather a signature configuration of his. You probably know better than me if he limits its use mostly to Petrov? |
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| Dec-21-05 | | Hesam7: An easy draw for Kramnik. He just used 25 minutes for the whole game. I am very eager to see his game with Zvjaginsev, (considering the fact that today was almost a rest day for the Classical WC) I do not know about others here but I know Zvjaginsev from Dvoretsky's books. And he always seemed extraordinary. |
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| Dec-21-05 | | Koster: Rest day for Morozevich only. Come back tomorrow, ready for battle. |
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| Dec-21-05 | | csmath: The game is apparently a home preparation.
Kramnik spent barely a minute for 14-16 moves.
White could have possibly continue to play something else instead of 20. Bxg6 but it was probably a prudent decision by Motylev to avoid any home preparation tricks by Kramnik.Another drawish line to add to Petroff analyses.
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| Dec-21-05 | | BishopofBlunder: Kramnik is playing this tournament "old school" style, "Draw with black, win with white". Didn't work out too well against Svidler, but, oh well, we shall see... |
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| Dec-22-05 | | Akavall: Does anybody know how long it took Motylev to play 20. Bxg6 forcing a draw, did he even think about playing for a win? I am pretty sure I would've played a same thing he did, I don't like white position here if they don't play 20. Bxg6. |
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| Dec-22-05 | | you vs yourself: After 14.c4, doesn't Bc6 seem normal? I'm surprised that move remained hidden over nearly 400 years, considering black has to protect b7 and there aren't many options except maybe bringing his rooks to open files. |
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| Dec-22-05 | | alicefujimori: <you vs yourself>The only logical reason I had found for your question is that all the GMs that played this line as Black must've analyzed 14...Bc6 to a draw in their home preps. Considering that Kramnik had allowed a perpetual in this game was another factor that made me believe that I am right about it. If you look at white's position after 16...Bd6, he doesn't seem to have any good plan besides 17.d5. 17.Re1 will run into 17...Bb4 while 17.Be3 will run into a later f5-f4 push followed by control of the e-file. So this only leaves: a) 17.Bd2 Be7 18.Qf4 (Qh6 runs into Bf6) 18...Bd6 19.Qh6 Rfe8 20.Rae1 Bf8 21.Qh4 (Qg5 runs into Be7 with perpetual) Be7 22.Bg5 Bxg5 23.Qxg5 and things are ok for Black. b) 17.Bb2 seems a better alternative and now 17...f6 18.Qh4 Rad8 (18...Rae8 runs into 19.d5!) 19.Rfe1 Bf4 20.d5 Bg5 and things are a little unclear. But it is hard to imagine Motylev would enter into this without any pre-home analysis. So 17.d5 was a safe bet for sure and led to the draw. |
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| Dec-22-05 | | you vs yourself: <alicefujimori> Thanks for the analysis. <all the GMs that played this line as Black must've analyzed 14...Bc6 to a draw in their home preps> There are lots of GMs who play for a draw as black. So, why not use it? |
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| Dec-22-05 | | alicefujimori: <you vs yourself>Good question. I've checked the chessgames.com and my own Petroff databases and apparently there was only 2 games where White played 14.c4 as in the game. So I don't think Black was actually given that much of a chance to use 14...Bc6. Another point I notice was that the alternative 14...Be6, played by Ivanchuk against Anand last year, actually led to a game where Black was trying to fight for a win. So I guess if Black wants to try to push a little for a win, then 14...Be6 is preferable. Otherwise, 14...Bc6 looks like a safe draw for Black. (Alhtough there might be improvements for White somewhere) Again, this proved that Kramnik was probably happy to draw with Black. |
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| Dec-22-05 | | Karpova: <Again, this proved that Kramnik was probably happy to draw with Black.> Shame on him!! At least, he does fulfill your expectations and that's the only thing that matters... |
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| Dec-23-05 | | Hesam7: <acirce: Great preparation by Kramnik. And since I play this line too, now I know what to play against 14.c4, so apart from its general theoretical interest this game is of great relevance to me personally. Thanks Vlad!> Ulf you should also look at this for 14. Bh6: Rublevsky vs Motylev, 2005 |
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| Dec-24-05 | | acirce: <Hesam7> Yeah, although that I already know something about. Looking at my bases I see that I have 19..Qa5 prepared though. I have to look at it when I have time and see where Motylev goes wrong. |
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| Dec-24-05 | | Averageguy: <acirce> God Jul! |
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| Dec-24-05 | | acirce: Tack detsamma! Jag tycker mest julen är jobbig, men jag hoppas din är bättre :-) |
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| Dec-29-05 | | netlava: It seems Kramnik's opponent was more than happy to draw since he forced the perpetual. |
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