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|Aug-24-06|| ||tamar: <acirce> <If you just take a second and look at it with your own eyes, you find that the position is anything but dead.>|
Shredder gave the line 22...Rdf8 23 Bxf7 Rxf7 24 Nxe6 Qb6 25 Ng5 Rff8 26 Ne6 Rf7 27 Ng5 with a repetition of moves.
|Aug-24-06|| ||acirce: <tamar> Thanks. I guess Carlsen would have tried something like 23.Rd1 Kc8 24.b4 and kept pressuring Black. I would still have expected a White win with so little time left for Black to defend.|
|Aug-24-06|| ||notyetagm: <acirce: Ehh, Shredder saying = only means equality, not "dead drawn". If you just take a second and look at it with your own eyes, you find that the position is anything but dead.>|
Bad word choice on my part. I was trying not to simply parrot <percyblakeney>'s "totally even". I should have said "dead even" or "completely even", which is Shredder's computer eval.
Even so, Magnus said he was surprised that Andersson resigned here since there was much to play for and Magnus' position was not easy to win. Yes, Andersson was losing but Dr. Lasker won many losing positions.
|Aug-24-06|| ||notyetagm: <acirce: ... I would still have expected a White win with so little time left for Black to defend.>|
Yes, I would have played until my flag fell or I made a gross inaccuracy that greatly eased White's path to victory.
|Aug-24-06|| ||slomarko: why did andersson resign in draw position? is it possible he threw the game?|
|Aug-24-06|| ||bob000: Er slomarko, care to draw the game without using comp assistance. You have 1 minute to my 1 hour. Thought so.|
|Aug-24-06|| ||slomarko: well yes but it is highly unusual he resigned, most chessplayers play till there is still some chance and that position doesnt seem total loss to me!|
|Aug-24-06|| ||slomarko: weird also he had 1 minute on move 22.|
|Aug-24-06|| ||TheGladiator: <slomarko> I think you are right. If you watched Andersson during the game, it looked like he didn't care much about the outcome, so him throwing the game is one of the best explanations I've seen so far.|
|Aug-24-06|| ||VargPOD: Andersson's time control has been odd in other Youth-Experience -games in my opinion. He's been consuming massive amounts of time in simple positions, and now facing a complex position, he just paralyzed.|
|Aug-24-06|| ||Per: <VargPOD: Andersson's been consuming massive amounts of time in simple positions, and now facing a complex position, he just paralyzed.>|
Ulf feels best at home in simplified positions with few pieces and few tactical resources, where he can reach his favourite result, a draw.
I think your explanation that Carlsen paralyzed him with a complex position is closer to the truth than that he should have thrown the game, as some kibitzers have suggested.
|Aug-24-06|| ||TheGladiator: <Per> No, no! I think <slomarko> has seen deeper than most of us - what we might be facing here, is some devious Scandinavian ploy to bring Carlsen above 2700 on the october rating list. As some of you might have noticed, Carlsen's second is from Denmark! Say no more...|
|Aug-25-06|| ||slomarko: i think it is more a ploy to push carlsen in front of karjakin so that he qualifies for amber 2006!|
|Aug-25-06|| ||Dres1: Hey i am hearing that Magnus was throwing raisins at Andersson. I find this hard to believe... has anyone else heard this funny rumor?|
|Aug-25-06|| ||tonsillolith: and then Andersson thought, "Oh this is just grape."|
|Aug-25-06|| ||Runemaster: Magnus' plot among the currant crop is bearing fruit; it's his "raisin d'etre".|
|Aug-25-06|| ||fromoort: I think Carlsen emptied his orange juice bottle in Ulf's pants and caused him to resign.|
|Aug-25-06|| ||sixfeetunder: No wonder that they say that Carlsen is a monster.|
|Aug-25-06|| ||euripides: <Hey i am hearing that Magnus was throwing raisins at Andersson. I find this hard to believe... has anyone else heard this funny rumor?> It's just sour grapes.|
|Aug-25-06|| ||dycotiles: Well we have here a perfect example of Fischer times, when he inspired so much fear on his opponents that they would made silly blunders, run out of time, or resign in inferior positions well before anything was decided. Go on Carlsen ...!|
|Aug-25-06|| ||Xaurus: < i think it is more a ploy to push carlsen in front of karjakin so that he qualifies for amber 2006!>I am sure Amber 2006 would be interesting for Carlsen as it's already over.|
|Aug-26-06|| ||slomarko: Xaurus are u scandinavian?|
|Aug-26-06|| ||Xaurus: <slomarko>Yes, as you can see from my profile. Why?|
|Aug-27-06|| ||IMlday: re: 16..Rad8..~he's thinking about safety with e7-d7-c8-b8 etc. Personnaly 16..f6 looked like the interesting try against the gambit.|
|Jan-22-13|| ||Wyatt Gwyon: Andersson was a shot fighter at this point, but 22 moves surprises me.|
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