|Sep-17-06|| ||LPeristy: I'm guessing 28...Rf6 would have been at least slightly less losing.|
|Sep-17-06|| ||think: I found it slightly amusing that white left his king pawn en prise on move 4 and then spent many moves overprotecting it with Bd3, Re1, and d3.|
Maybe black lost because he missed that f6 was check.
And can anyone find a winning variation for white after 28...Rf6? I can't find one just staring at the board for five minutes.
|Sep-17-06|| ||johnnyfroaction: 28...Rf6 29. Qc3 looks strong at a glance, the rook looks trapped, but might be safe after the king has to step into a pin at g7. it still looks bad for black after 29...Kg7 30. RxR BxR 31. Rd3 but this is just all just guesswork.|
|Sep-17-06|| ||kinghunt72: Of course, there is also 28... Rf6 29. Qc3, in which Black can easily respond to with 29... Rxe1 30. Rxe1 Qf2, which offers an exchange of rooks. Maybe its not such a bad move after all.|
|Sep-17-06|| ||sfm: <think: I found it slightly amusing that white left his king pawn en prise on move 4...>
I think I know why it was not captured... ;-)|
|Sep-17-06|| ||Tenderfoot: 22...Rf6 looks bad to me. It allows for his Rook to be boxed in with advancing pawns.|
|Sep-17-06|| ||Confuse: pretty cute finish =)|
|Sep-17-06|| ||ganstaman: <sfm: <think: I found it slightly amusing that white left his king pawn en prise on move 4...> I think I know why it was not captured... ;-)> Ah, the old Qa4+ ==> Qxe4 trap. I've fell for it before. And I still don't spot it quickly enough.|
|Sep-17-06|| ||EmperorAtahualpa: <Maybe black lost because he missed that f6 was check.>|
Probably. That gives White a vital tempo, because Black is also one move away from mating White with Qg1#.
|Sep-17-06|| ||Peligroso Patzer: <kinghunt72: Of course, there is also 28... Rf6 29. Qc3, in which Black can easily respond to with 29... Rxe1 30. Rxe1 Qf2, *** >
After 28. ... Rf6 29. Qc3, the immediate 29. ... Qf2 seems strongest. The mate threat on g2 forces white either to play the passive 30. Rg1 or to allow a trade of one or both pairs of Rooks in circumstances more favorable for Black than the position after 29. ... Rxe1. If the game had continued 28. ... Rf6 29. Qc3 Qf2, Black should have had little difficulty in drawing.|
|Sep-17-06|| ||ToTheDeath: After 28... Rf6 White can play 29. Rxe8 Rxe8 30. Re1! Qd8 (If the bishop moves 31. Re7 is strong) 31. Bb3! and Black is almost in zugzwang, e.g. 31... Bd7 32. Bxf7! wins, 31... Qd7 32. Qe3 wins, 31... Kh8 32. Qh4 followed by Bd5 and g4 g5 and black gets rolled up.|
|Sep-17-06|| ||Uri: A nice way to go is 28... Rf6 29.Rxd6. Possibilities: eating any rook for black loses, as does 29... Qc7 (30.Rxd6). So the only option I see is 30...Rg8 31.Qxg8+ Kxg8 32.Rxd6 and someone else might want to state their opinion on the situation there.|
|Sep-17-06|| ||Uri: Sorry: somehow skipped ToTheDeath's comment while reading the others. Seems it's better than mine.|
|Sep-17-06|| ||kinghunt72: <tothedeath> well, after 32. Qh4, Black can still try to force a draw... 32... Kg7.|
|Sep-17-06|| ||aw1988: Someone with a 2542 rating playing the c3-Bd3-Bc2 opening? At this level? I've always found it a bit slow...|
|Sep-17-06|| ||Domdaniel: < aw1988: Someone with a 2542 rating playing the c3-Bd3-Bc2 opening? At this level? I've always found it a bit slow... >
Think of it as like a King's Indian Attack, but with a c3/Bc2 'fianchetto' instead of g3/Bg2. With the bishop placed for kingside operations and the c3 pawn bolstering the centre.|
If anything, it's a little 'fast'...;]
|Sep-17-06|| ||LivBlockade: <aw1988> And that's after White spent time on 4. h3. I wonder if any strong player ever fell for 4...xe4?? 5. a4+ winning a piece?|
|Sep-17-06|| ||kevin86: Surprize!! White does not complete the reflex exchange move-instead,he discovers check. Whether black interposes or not,he is mated next move.|
|Sep-17-06|| ||Sneaky: <LivBlockade> See E Karahaliou vs K Ozturk, 2001. Kubra is rated 2110 by FIDE, that's pretty strong in my opinion.|
|Sep-20-06|| ||patzer2: While 28...Rf6!? 29. Rxe8 Bxe8 30. Bb3 favors White, it's better than mate-in-two after the discovered check following 28...Rxe1?? 29. f6+! any Black move and 30. Qg7#.|
|Sep-09-07|| ||Peligroso Patzer: <LivBlockade: *** I wonder if any strong player ever fell for 4...Nxe4?? 5. Qa4+ winning a piece? >|
<Sneaky: <LivBlockade> See E Karahaliou vs K Ozturk, 2001. Kubra is rated 2110 by FIDE, that's pretty strong in my opinion.>
Although I do not claim to be a strong player (USCF Class "A"), I felt deeply chagrined when I fell for this trap in a game at a “Quick” time control (G/29). Just as my opponent played 4. Be2 (rather than 4. h3, as played by Amonatov, but the tactical pattern is the same), a cell phone rang, causing me both annoyance and loss of concentration. Before pausing a few seconds to restore my composure, I reached out and touched the e4-pawn, realizing an instant too late that it was poisoned. My opponent, who was directing the tournament, had left the board because of the cell phone incident and did not see me touch his e-pawn. The temptation briefly crossed my mind to utter a slightly tardy “J’adoube”, and then to choose a reasonable move. Nevertheless, having few redeeming qualities to set in the balance against a plethora of vices, I have always endeavored to maintain impeccable ethical standards, and so I knew I had no real choice other than to play 4. … Nxe4?? . I played on but lost much more quickly than did Ozturk in the link provided above by <Sneaky>.
The bottom line to me is that even a mere Class “A” player ought to see through this trap in an instant, but if one loses concentration or focus just long enough to reach out and impulsively touch the e4-pawn, it really does not matter what you would have seen 99-plus per cent of the time.
|Dec-20-07|| ||Confuse: To earlier posts, after Rf6, Rxd6 seems to be an appropriate response. Seems a bit complicated, but white seems to have the initiative : )|
|Dec-20-07|| ||sambo: <Confuse: To earlier posts, after Rf6, Rxd6 seems to be an appropriate response. Seems a bit complicated, but white seems to have the initiative : )>|
Stole my thunder. I was just about to suggest this. The bishop is pinned and there's no way to protect the rook on f6. After Rg8 a possible line for is for white to trade the queen for both rooks; and then pick up the h-pawn or even start a mating attack on the black king. There may even be something better; but it's definitely white's game.