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| Sep-17-07 | | Terry McCracken: This game has rare beauty, I hope everyone enjoys this relatively unknown game. Best,
Terry McCracken |
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| Nov-25-07 | | Pi Guy: Great game. From move 29 on, black has a queen for a bishop, but unfortunately, his rook was completely trapped and the queen was limited to the back rank and the a3-f8 diagonal!
Finally, after all the excitement of the middlegame, the deciding factor was 2 separate undefended, isolated, doubled pawns, both of which can be captured by the black queen, but which will inevitably lead to a quick checkmate. |
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| Nov-25-07 | | Shams: beautiful. |
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| Nov-26-07 | | ahmadov: I think White's Queen sacrifice is not justified... Black simply lost because it did not play well... |
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| Nov-26-07 | | MostlyAverageJoe: How does white win if the black places his rook on the 7th rank? The idea here is to plug the g7 square with the rook, and thus release black Q to go hunting after the white's LSB. I did some exploration of these lines:
24. Qxe5 fxe5 25.Rf1 a6 26.d1 Rc7
24. Qxe5 fxe5 25.Rf1 Rc7
got the black one tempo away from getting stalemated (with both rooks still in play), and failed to force the same situation that occurs after the possibly inaccurate 25...Rc8?! |
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| Nov-26-07 | | Shams: Shams: <Mostly Average Joe>
24. ♕xe5 fxe5 25.♖f1 a6 26.♗xa6 threatens 27.♗b5 whether or not black moves his rook. This move is strong in your other line as well: 24. ♕xe5 fxe5
25. ♖f1 ♖c7
26. ♗b5 ♕c8 (or d8)
27. ♗d7 ♕b8
28. ♖f7 ♕d8
29. ♗e8! looks winning for white to me.
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| Nov-26-07 | | Terry McCracken: It's hopeless for Black, 27. Bd1!! heading for b3 in your first line and 26. Bd1!! in the second line It's zugzwang. Keep playing it out, eventually you'll see how dead Black is. Or we can play it out here, with the same result. |
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| Nov-26-07 | | Shams: McCracken is right, my line is flawed-- after 27.Bd7 black has ...Qe7. White is still winning, but he has to bring his bishop back to b3. |
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| Nov-27-07 | | MostlyAverageJoe: <Terry McCracken> Based on your comment, let's try this line: 24. Qxe5 fxe5 25. Rf1 Rc7 26. Bd1 Re7 27. Bb3 a5
and see how it can be advanced to the point where engines see a win for white. Deep Shredder claims a draw (analysis 34 plies deep). I am about 99% convinced that white will win. There is another attack possible (Rf7) that may give a win to white, but not as forced as what happened in the game. Perhaps this is where the line of longest resistance might lead to. The plan for the black is to shuffle Q on the 8th rank and use the rook to attack the LSB whenever it strays from the a2-g8 diagonal. White will have to coordinate the LSB attacking the black Q to prevent the Qe8 defense to Rf7, advancing the surplus pawn(s), and maintaining the a2-g8 threat to prevent the rook from gobbling up said pawn(s). As mentioned, I am nearly convinced that it can be done, but would like to see it nevertheless. |
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| Nov-27-07 | | MostlyAverageJoe: PS: credit goes to <Shams> for the Rf7 attack. |
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| Nov-27-07 | | Shams: Joe, the Rf7 idea was obvious. no points there for me. I'm in bed with the flu but can't white just plant his bishop on d5 and leave it there forever? 28.Bd5, create a passed c-pawn and that's it? I can't believe that Shredder calls this a draw. Does it play 28.Bd5<?> I've enjoyed our discussion of this game. |
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| Nov-28-07 | | MostlyAverageJoe: Allright, I convinced myself, by taking off pairs of Q-side pawns (or by arranging them so they cannot move). Once the pawn exchange happens, the rest is easy even for the engines. But they still don't see the mate after 28.Bd5 - only around move 31 or 32, after the reduced pawn mobility reduces the solution space. |
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| Nov-29-07 | | alshatranji: Isn't 33...g5 a mistake? Why didn't Black play a waiting move, such as Qa6? |
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| Nov-29-07 | | Kings Indian: What a sad game. White is material down but yet threatens to queen a lone pawn, when the black Queen and rook is on the board. I would rather die than lose this game. |
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| Nov-29-07 | | MostlyAverageJoe: <alshatranji: Isn't 33...g5 a mistake? Why didn't Black play a waiting move, such as Qa6?> Move the black queen and white mates: Rf8# |
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Nov-29-07
 | | Jimfromprovidence: <Mostly AverageJoe> <Terry McCracken> <Based on your comment, let's try this line:
24. Qxe5 fxe5 25. Rf1 Rc7 26. Bd1 Re7 27. Bb3 a5> It looks like a draw to me. Black's queen and rook are busy defending the hemmed in pieces and a back rank mate threat and it does not appear that white can force the creation of a passed pawn on the queenside. And, if white gets impatient and tries to trade material, white can lose. For example, if 28 Rf7? then 28…Rxf7 I assume it’s then 29 exf7 Qxf7 30 Bd5 Qxd5 31 exd5.
This line lets black escape and keeps a rook vs. bishop advantage as well. |
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| Nov-29-07 | | Terry McCracken: < Kings Indian: What a sad game. White is material down but yet threatens to queen a lone pawn, when the black Queen and rook is on the board. I would rather die than lose this game> Well, you would lose this game.... |
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| Nov-29-07 | | Terry McCracken: < Jimfromprovidence: <Mostly AverageJoe> <Terry McCracken> <Based on your comment, let's try this line: 24. Qxe5 fxe5 25. Rf1 Rc7 26. Bd1 Re7 27. Bb3 a5>
It looks like a draw to me. Black's queen and rook are busy defending the hemmed in pieces and a back rank mate threat and it does not appear that white can force the creation of a passed pawn on the queenside. And, if white gets impatient and tries to trade material, white can lose. For example, if 28 Rf7? then 28…Rxf7 I assume it’s then 29 exf7 Qxf7 30 Bd5 Qxd5 31 exd5. This line lets black escape and keeps a rook vs. bishop advantage as well.> Well, if you play bad moves with the White Pieces, of course you will lose. This isn't a draw, White wins.
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| Nov-29-07 | | Terry McCracken: Just one example.
1. Rxf6..exf6 2. Qxd6..Rc6 3. Qxe5!!..fe 4.Rf1!..Qe7 5.Bd1..b5 6.Bb3..Rc4 7.a4!..a6 [fen] 
click for larger view 8.Ba2!..Qc5+ 9.Kg2..Qe7
[fen] 
click for larger view 10.b4!! 1-0
Black any, Bxc4 and then b5! is crushing!
If 8..Qe8 9.b4!!..Qd8 10. Bxc4..bc 11.b5!
Before stating you think it's a draw, do some work.
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| Nov-29-07 | | Terry McCracken: Another Example...
[fen] 
click for larger view22. Rxf6 exf6 23. Qxd6 Rc6 24. Qxe5 fxe5 25. Rf1 Qe7 26. Bd1 b5 27. Bb3 Rc4 28. a4 a6 29. Ba2 Qc5+ 30. Kg2 Qe7 31. b4 Qe8 32. Bxc4 bxc4 33. b5 axb5 34. axb5 Qa8 35. Kg3 Qa3 36. b6 Qxc3+ 37. Kg4 Qb4 38. b7 Qd6 39. b8=Q+ Qxb8 40. e7 Qc8+ 41. Kg3 1-0 Analysis by Terry McCracken aided with Hiarcs 11.2.
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Nov-29-07
| | Jimfromprovidence: <Terry McCracken> <Well, if you play bad moves with the White Pieces, of course you will lose.
This isn't a draw, White wins.>
I’m playing off of <MAJ’s> proposed position. below, beginning with 24. Qxe5 fxe5 25. Rf1 Rc7 26. Bd1 Re7 27. Bb3 a5 so I am on the 28th move for white. It Looks like you are beginning with move 22. His line deviates from the match beginning with black's 25th move. 
click for larger viewI'm happy to analyze any position at any point because this match is such an anomaly. |
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| Nov-30-07 | | Terry McCracken: <Jimfromprovidence
I’m playing off of <MAJ’s> proposed position. below, beginning with 24. Qxe5 fxe5 25. Rf1 Rc7 26. Bd1 Re7 27. Bb3 a5 so I am on the 28th move for white. It Looks like you are beginning with move 22. His line deviates from the match beginning with black's 25th move. [fen]
click for larger viewI'm happy to analyze any position at any point because this match is such an anomaly.> Fine, but White wins; 28. Rf7?? is wrong.
28. a4!! and Black is busted.
[fen] 
click for larger view |
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| Nov-30-07 | | Terry McCracken: < ahmadov: I think White's Queen sacrifice is not justified... Black simply lost because it did not play well...> Wrong! Do you still trust computers over human intelligence? Computers are an aid not a replacement for human thought. Computers play chess at the GM level, but in many cases they play like duffers. This is one such case, unless you fine tune engine parameters to handle a specific case like this one, but sometimes that works and sometimes it doesn't. There are areas where machines are hopeless, and trusting them rather than using your mind makes you lazy. It will hurt your chess rather than improve it.
You must think!!
I can never stress that enough! |
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Nov-30-07
| | Jimfromprovidence: <Terry McCracken> <Fine, but White wins; 28. Rf7?? is wrong.
28. a4!! and Black is busted.>
I know that once white gets a passed pawn to the 7th rank, the game is over. I was trying to ascertain if that was preventable, but it does not look like it. This is such a bizarre board position. Where did you find this game? It’s ironic that you tell people not to rely on computers but you had to use a chess engine to show that the computer programs can’t solve this puzzle. |
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| Nov-30-07 | | Terry McCracken: <Jimfromprovidence
I know that once white gets a passed pawn to the 7th rank, the game is over. I was trying to ascertain if that was preventable, but it does not look like it.> That's correct, it isn't preventable.
<This is such a bizarre board position. Where did you find this game?> I never reveal my sources;)
<It’s ironic that you tell people not to rely on computers but you had to use a chess engine to show that the computer programs can’t solve this puzzle.> I didn't have to use an engine, but to speed things along and to prevent *human error*, I used the program as an aid. I *never* relied on it to help me solve this position, if I did I'd *never* would have realized the win. The problem is most people rely on engine analysis as if it were God;That will kill your chess! I said you can use computers as an aid, not to wholly rely on them. This goes for chess and every area of human intelligence. I may have been terse, but the fellow I replied to argued over and over again at a members forum, *Chessmoron's*, that computers say this...sigh... This person implied he knew better than I as computers say so...another fellow in this thread dismissed this as a *sad* game and would rather *die* than lose this position. It's a brilliant combination, and it irked me when he dismissed it in such a vapid way, with no effort at all from his end to justify his response. |
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