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| Jan-14-08 | | suenteus po 147: <acirce> How do you feel about Kasparov commenting on games now that he is out of it all? Personally, I think he should put up or shut up! ;) |
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| Jan-14-08 | | acirce: Well I'd be perfectly glad if he stopped clowning around in politics and used that time to comment on games instead. |
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| Jan-14-08 | | whiteshark: Neither...nor... for me :D |
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| Jan-14-08 | | Ezzy: Kasparov making 1 move comments without any insight or analysis is a bit crass. I and millions of others with a computer could have said that. Anyway, Radjabov seemed to have got out of jail for free here. I admire how he knew what it took to draw the endgame though. For example 48 Kd1 was the only move to avoid a tablebase win for Van Wely, who nearly gave Radjabov a shock today. Kramnik and Anand will be looking closely at the theory to this game. |
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| Jan-14-08 | | Jim Bartle: Kasparov gives the impression that he sort of glances at games while involved in more important activities, and just casually sees the winning moves, but doesn't have the time or inclination to give any variations. |
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| Jan-14-08 | | Shams: <Ezzy, Jim Bartle> I disagree. I'm more than happy to hear Kasparov's general impressions, and if he claims such-and-such a move would have won then there are plenty of people who can confirm or refute this with later analysis. Kasparov is in a different league than the 1 million users running Fritz are. |
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| Jan-14-08 | | Jim Bartle: I'll agree he's in a higher league... |
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| Jan-14-08 | | square dance: i enjoy it when the kasparov chats on playchess. |
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| Jan-14-08 | | Ezzy: I was a paid member for the last 2 years on playchess, and I have never seen Kasparov chat on playchess. He probably has much better things to do. Yes his name very occasionally would appear, but never any chat or analysis. |
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| Jan-14-08 | | Ezzy: It all seems to be an advertisement for playchess. 'hey look, Kasparov is here.' He's never done anything like chat. Unless I missed an odd or very rare occasion. |
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| Jan-14-08 | | square dance: <ezzy> kasparov would occasionally make some remark about games while watching them on playchess. "so and so should win", or something like that. i dont think he ever posted any analysis, but maybe pointed out some best moves on occasion, although i may be confusing that with stuff mig has said. one time i recall him saying that he was there to watch the games and not to chat. no doubt he was getting swamped with PMs. |
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| Jan-14-08 | | skrzypczyk: well folks Radjabov escaped by his teeth..it was a draw anyway..
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| Jan-14-08 | | Ezzy: <Steve Giddins reporting for British chess magazine. Van Wely is the last man to duck a challenge, and today, as Black against Radjabov, he took on the Moscow Gambit, in which the latter had defeated Anand in the first round. Despite his success in that game with the novelty 14.Re1, today the young Azeri chose 14.Bh5, and it was van Wely who innovated at move 16. He soon had the advantage, and his additional c-pawn eventually cost White the exchange. However, the result was a fascinating ending, with R+P v B+P. This ending was immortalized by Jan Timman, when he won it against Velimirovic in the 1979 Interzonal. Those were the days of adjournments, and Timman was able to have his second, Ulf Andersson, spend several days and nights analyzing the position to the last detail. In 2008, van Wely had no such luxuries, although he was at least spared the ignominy of having to play the position at FIDE’s ludicrous increment time-control (here at Corus, the control used is a classical one: 40 in 2 hours, 20 in 1 hour, and then 30 minutes to finish the game).> The game in question
Timman vs Velimirovic, 1979 |
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Jan-15-08
 | | Gypsy: The endgame play here is governed by the following two studies: <Baranov, 1954> Draw. 
click for larger view 1.Re2 Kf5 2.Kd5 Kf6 3.Re6+ Kf7! (3...Kf5? 4.Rb6!) ... =, or 2.Kd7 Kf6 3.Rf7 Kf5! ... =. <Majzelis, 1963> White wins. 
click for larger view1.Ke6 Bc5 2.Kd7 Bb4 3.Rc6+ Kb7 4.Rh6... <Prepares to push the Black king further, to the a-file.> 4...Bd2 5.Rh5! Be1 6.Rb5+ Ka6 7.Kc6 Bf2 8.Rb8! Ba7 <If 8...Ka7, then White forces zugzwang 9.Rc8 Be1 10.Kb5 Kb7 11.Rc4 Bb4 12.Rc1! Bd2 13.Rd1! Bb4 14.Rd7+ Kc8 15.Kc6 Kb8 16.Kb6 Kc8 17.Rd1!..., and wins> 9.Rc8 Bb6 10.Ra8+ Ba7 11.Kd5! Kb7 12.Re8!... <Black pieces now lost coordination. White will return to the black pawn, at the same prohibiting bishop from returning to the diagonal a5-e1.> 12...Bb6 13.Kc4 Kc6 14.Re6+ Kb7 15.Kb5 Bd8 16.Rg6! Bc7 <16...Ka7 17.Rg7+ Kb8 18.Rg8 Kc7 19.Kxa5, or 16...Kc8 17.Kc6 > 17.Rg7! Kb8 18.Kc6 Be5 19.Rb7+! Ka8 20.Rf7 Bd4 <20...Kb8 21.Kb6> 21.Kb5! Bc3 22.Kb6... and wins.
<An important side variation is 12...Bb8, where after 13.Kc5 Bf4 14.Kb5 Bd2 15.Rd8! comes Rd7+ and win goes as in the note to the move 8 of Black; the same happens after 12...Bf2 13.Re2 Bh4 (13.Bg1 14.Kc4 Kc6 15.Re6+ Kb7 16.Kb5) 14.Kc5 Bf6 15Kb5 Bc3 16.Rc2!...> |
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| Jan-15-08 | | ughaibu: Here's another example: Salwe vs Rubinstein, 1908 |
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| Jan-15-08 | | OneArmedScissor: It would be a lot more interesting if Fischer commented on some of these games. |
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| Jan-15-08 | | Archives: <It would be a lot more interesting if Fischer commented on some of these games.> Well my rating is the same as Fischer's at his peak, so I guess I am qualified to say what Fischer probably thinks about this game. I imagine Fischer would have this to say about this game, "They're coming outta the walls! They're coming outta the @#$%*!& walls!" |
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| Jan-15-08 | | Ulhumbrus: Here is Karpova's remark on Maizelis's plan:
Karpova: Nobody commented on this groundbreaking endgame yet - that's unbelievable!
I won't give all the analysis on this game from "The Life & Games of Akiva Rubinstein - Volume 1: Uncrowned King" by IM Donaldson and IM Minev but the anaylsis done by Maizelis on this position (after 60.Bg5):javascript:OpenWin('/perl/fen?fen= 
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60...Kd3 61.Bf4 Ke2 62.Bg5 Rf3+ 63.Kg2 Ra3 64.Be7 Ra4 65.Bd8 Rg4+ 66.Kh3 Kf3 67.Bc7 Rg1 68.Bh2 (<if 68.Kh2 Rf1! 69.Bd8 Kg4 70.Kg2 Rf5 71.Bg5 Rf8! 73.Be7 Re8 and wins as in the main variation 68.Bh2>) 68...Rf1 69.Bg3 Rh1+ 70.Kh2 Ke4! (next diagram) javascript:OpenWin('/perl/fen?fen= 
click for larger view') 71.Kg2 Rd1! 72.Bc7 (<The alternatives are 72.Bg3 Kf5 73.Kf3 Rd3+ 74.Kg2 Kg4 75.Be1 Rb3 76.Bf2 Rb2 77.Kf1 Kf3, and Black wins, and 72.Bg1 Kf4 73.Bc5 Kg4 74.Be7 Re1 75.Bg5 Re2+, and Black wins as in the main variation with 72.Bc7>) 72...Rd7! 73.Ba5 (<if 73.Bb8 Kf5 74.Kf3 Rd3+ 75.Kg2 Kg4 and wins>) 73...Kf4 74.Bc3 (<after 74.Be1 Ra7 75.Bd2+ Kg4 76.Bg5 Rf7 77.Bd8 Rf5 78.Bg5 Rf8 79.Be7 Re8, Black wins in the same way as after 74.Bc3>) 74...Kg4 75.Bf6 Rf7 76.Bd8 Rf5 77.Bg5 Rf8 78.Be7 Re8 79.Bg5 Re2+ 80.Kf1 Kf3 (next diagram) javascript:OpenWin('/perl/fen?fen= 
click for larger view') 81.Kg1 (<or 81.Bf6 Re8 82.Bg5 Kg3 and wins>) 81...Kg3 82.Kf1 Re8!, and black wins. Final position (after 82...Re8):
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| Jan-15-08 | | percyblakeney: If I've understood it correctly there is no way to win this endgame for van Wely if Radjabov defends correctly, by not placing his king too close to (or too far away from) the pawn. |
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| Jan-15-08 | | percyblakeney: By the way, today the official site retracted the last eight moves their transmission originally showed, so I suppose it ended on move 85 as given here after all. |
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| Jan-15-08 | | Udit Narayan: Interesting analysis:
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail... |
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Jan-15-08
| | Gypsy: Baranov's and Maizelis' works in these types of end-games built upon
Jens Enevoldsen. His positions are now there. (Solutions to them will be there eventually.) |
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Jan-15-08
| | Gypsy: <Udit Narayanz> Cool, Marin always does such a great job! |
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| Jan-17-08 | | cheski: <"Garry Kasparov pointed out that van Wely missed an "elementary" win with <36...Bf5> . John Nunn, who had all the necessary tablebases installed, confirmed that it was "elementary".> " This from Mikael Marin's commentary on Chessbase.
Has anybody been able to find this line recorded anywhere? |
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| Jan-23-08 | | BlackNightmare: <Archives> the king of morons is you. eyygh |
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