| Aug-25-08 | | Marmot PFL: Black always has reasonable play for the weak a and c pawns. Why he gave up the important e pawn, and then didn't play Bg7 to get c3 probably only Morozevich can say. 32...Rxc3 loses to Qe5+ but a beginner would see that. the rest is just good technique for Ivanchuk. |
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| Aug-25-08 | | vanytchouck: When will we have the proper sheet of the game ?
I mean from the 34th to the the 38th move it's just insane ... |
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| Aug-25-08 | | Marmot PFL: <from the 34th to the the 38th move it's just insane ...> By then Moro probably knew it was lost and didn't put up the best resistance. But I doubt it would matter. |
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| Aug-25-08 | | parmetd: why not Qxc1? |
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| Aug-25-08 | | yalie: i think the actual moves probably were
34. Qxc5 Qxc1+ 35. Bf1 Qe1 |
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| Aug-25-08 | | zoren: probably an input error |
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| Aug-25-08 | | Marmot PFL: I guess this is messed up...white must have taken the black rook first. |
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Aug-25-08
 | | keypusher: At the end, White wins after 60....Kxf5 61. Kd6 Kf6 62. Kd5 Kf5 63. Kd4 Kf6 (alas, ...Kf4 is illegal) 64. Ke4 Kg5 65. Ke5 and the pawn falls. Thanks to Peligroso Patzer, acirce and tamar for pointing this out on the tournament page. |
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Aug-25-08
 | | Jimfromprovidence: 38 c5?, instead of Qa7+, also makes no sense. |
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| Aug-25-08 | | vanytchouck: <Jimfromprovidence: 38 c5?, instead of Qa7+, also makes no sense.> Yes, it's why i said from the 34th to the 38th move (Qa7 + could be played since the 35th move). I know that mutal blindness does exist but i just can't believe that two +2780 elo rated players can miss winning moves hardly worth a monday puzzle. |
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| Aug-25-08 | | maelith: Ivanchuk is one of the best ever, he is not a top 5 player for 15 years for nothing |
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| Aug-25-08 | | Aspirador: Note that 36.Qa7+ and 37.Qa7+ do not win the bishop because of ...Bf7. 38.Qa7+ would win the bishop because the pawn c4 blocks the diagonal. Maybe they really missed this in time trouble. As for 34...Qc1, this must be an error in the score as yalie said. |
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Aug-25-08
| | Jimfromprovidence: vanytchouck> <Yes, it's why i said from the 34th to the 38th move (Qa7 + could be played since the 35th move). I know that mutual blindness does exist but i just can't believe that two +2780 elo rated players can miss winning moves hardly worth a monday puzzle.> I agree with your comments about that bizarre sequence of moves, but I must quibble about the efficacy of playing Qa7+. Sure, he can play it after move 35, but he can’t win material until he plays c4 first. |
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| Aug-25-08 | | Aspirador: Watch http://www.chesscenter.com/twic/eet... They were absolutely blitzing during moves 30-40. Not that surprising if Ivanchuk missed 38.Qa7+. As said before, I don't think he could have missed 35.Qxc1 though, this is probably an error. |
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| Aug-25-08 | | vanytchouck: Aspirador & Jimfromprovidence >
You're right : Qa7 + doesn't work as long as Bf7 can be played. |
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| Aug-25-08 | | Etienne: 10 moves in 20 seconds! |
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| Aug-25-08 | | whiteshark: So it was mutual hecticness. :D |
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| Aug-26-08 | | shutupimthinking: I believe the word is hecticity. |
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| Aug-27-08 | | Ulhumbrus: 13...e5 offers a pawn not only on c5 but later on b6 as well. An alternative is 13...c4 14 Bc2 and now 14...e5 eg 15 d5 Nb7 heading for d6 |
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Aug-28-08
 | | chancho: The correct score of this game:
1.c4 Nf6 2.d4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.cxd5 Nxd5 5.e4 Nxc3 6.bxc3 Bg7 7.Bc4 c5 8.Ne2 0-0 9.0-0 Nc6 10.Be3 Na5 11.Bb5 Bd7 12.Bd3 b6 13.Rb1 e5 14.dxc5 Ba4 15.Qd2 Qd7 16.cxb6 axb6 17.Nc1 Rfc8 18.Rxb6 Bf8 19.Ra6 Qb7 20.Rxa8 Qxa8 21.Nb3 Nxb3 22.axb3 Bxb3 23.Rb1 Qa3 24.h3 Be6 25.Rc1 Rd8 26.Qc2 Bb3 27.Qb1 Ba2 28.Qb5 Rc8 29.Qxe5 Bc5 30.Bxc5 Rxc5 31.Qb8+ Kg7 32.Qf4 Qb2 33.Qe3 f6 <34.Qxc5 Qxc1+> <35.Bf1 Qe1> 36.Qd4 g5 37.c4 Qc1 38.c5 Be6 39.f3 h5 40.Kf2 h4 41.Qe3 Qc2+ 42.Kg1 Bc4 43.Bxc4 Qxc4 44.Kh2 Kf7 45.Qa3 Ke6 46.Qa7 Qc1 47.Qb6+ Kf7 48.Qd6 Qf4+ 49.Qxf4 gxf4 50.Kg1 Ke6 51.Kf2 Kd7 52.Ke2 Kc6 53.Kd3 Kxc5 54.Kc3 Kd6 55.Kd4 Ke6 56.Kc4 Kd6 57.Kb5 Ke6 58.Kc6 Ke5 59.Kd7 f5 60.exf5 1-0 |
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