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| Feb-01-09 | | shahjinan: I also should say that there were chances that 2 to 3 people can join number 1 but....Karjakin only the one who could make it..and unfortunately no others did.. |
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| Feb-01-09 | | WhiteRook48: Carlsen is dropping |
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| Feb-01-09 | | LOVATO: Like i said on move 61 instead of taking the pawn carslen should put the king on check Be3+, if black moves to Kd6 then rook takes the knight and put king on check at Rxd5+, king takes rook, bishop takes rook and carslen wins the game in the last 4 moves |
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| Feb-02-09 | | mike1: Lovato: does not work! Be3+, 62.Kd6 Rxd5+, 63.Kxd5 bxa7, 64. e7 Kf7, 65.
fxg7 and either of the pawn queens. |
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| Feb-02-09 | | notyetagm: <WhiteRook48: Carlsen is dropping> Yes, it's really starting to look like Carlsen peaked last year at the Forus Aerosvit tournament. |
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| Feb-02-09 | | Once: <sleepyirv: So you're suggesting all games should be played to mate?> No, we're not saying that. All games should be played out until the outcome is clear. While there remains tricks and chances to go wrong, it is quite in order for a GM to play on, especially in the circumstances of this tournament - last day, Carlssen in the running for a prize, and so on. Sure, white's position looked overwhelming and all the engines were talking about a huge white advantage, but there was still a chance for Wang Yue to make a mistake - eg if Carlssen could sac rook for pawn and then run his connected passers towards coronation. In short, there was a deal more play in this one than some kibitzers could see, but nowhere near as much as the Carlssen fan club were hoping for! |
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| Feb-02-09 | | arnaud1959: <peristilo: dont lose if u can draw!> Without players like Carlsen who lose because they're trying too hard to win chess would be very boring. |
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| Feb-02-09 | | percyblakeney: Another recent example of Carlsen making an endgame blunder is Carlsen vs Movsesian, 2008. It does seem as if he gets careless now and then in the endgames. |
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| Feb-02-09 | | Crowaholic: Another little drawing idea:
44. ..Rxb4!? 45. Nxb4 Nxf5! 46. Rd8+ (played now to prevent ..Bf8) Kh7 47. exf5 Bxb4 and it looks like a fortress. <Without players like Carlsen who lose because they're trying too hard to win chess would be very boring.> Ok, ok, I get the point that Carlsen wasn't *trying* to draw. However, I personally prefer an ingenious draw over a dubious winning attempt any time, night or day. |
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Feb-02-09
 | | Peligroso Patzer: < sleepyirv: <Geronimo> So you're suggesting all games should be played to mate?> No, but many of those who were calling for Carlsen’s resignation simply did not understand how close the position was to being drawn. Many if not all of them were no doubt relying on lop-sided computer evaluations (which can be very misleading in endgames). As noted in an earlier post of mine, the following position (with Black to move), which is close to what could have occurred in the game, is a theoretical draw: 
click for larger view. |
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Feb-02-09
 | | Domdaniel: Can we nip this 61...Be3+ thing in the bud, once and for all, please? The move would have been a blunder and would've lost quickly, although Carlsen was already lost after Wang's brilliant 61.f6. 61...Be3+
62.Kd6 Bxa7
63.Nh7+ Kh7
[or 63...Kh8 64.Ng6+ Kh7 65.Nxe5 gxf6 66.e7 fxe5 67.e8Q; or 63...Kf8, which is even worse after Ng6+ and f7+ etc.] 64.f7 Bc5+
65.Kd7! Bxe7
66.Kxe7 winning easily.
Note that the point in several lines is to push a pawn through, not to get sidetracked by taking the rook or bishop. After 62.Kd6 White can take either knight or pawn with the rook, but both lose: 62.Kd6 Rxd5+
63.Kxd5 Bxa7
64.e7 Kf7
65.fxg7 and one of the pawns will queen, while black's bishop is useless. 62.Kd6 Rxe6+ 63.Kxe6 Bxa7 64.f7+ Kf8 65.Nf4 and black gets mated -- 65...g5 only puts it off for a few moves. Overall, though, 61...Be3+ is a plausible try, and Carlsen deserves credit for avoiding it. There was actually a similar situation about ten moves earlier, though it was easier to refute: Carlsen played 50...Bh4 -- a move that impressed me at the time, though it was probably the losing error. A better move was 50...Kh7 when he might have had some survival chances - white doesn't get to gain time with a check before attacking f7. And then if Wang had tried 51.Ra7 to attack f7 on the rank ... 50...Kh7
51.Ra7 Bf2+ [same theme]
52.Kf3 Bxa7
53.Kxg2 is probably a draw. In this line, though, White has 51.e5!? -- very unclear, but Wang has definite winning chances. The whole final phase of the game was full of complications like these. It was an incredibly difficult ending, and both players made some inaccurate moves -- but I'm amazed they saw as much as they did. Watching live, I saw hardly any of the deeper stuff. And max credit to Wang for the sublime (and winning) 61.f6! And we won't mention 61...Be3+ again, OK? I've given only a fraction of the lines here, but they all win for White. I should add that the refutation of ...Be3+ was posted here during the game. That's impressive too, with or without an engine. |
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Feb-02-09
| | Domdaniel: Move 63 in my first line should read Ne7+ |
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| Feb-03-09 | | percyblakeney: <Carlsen played 50...Bh4 -- a move that impressed me at the time, though it was probably the losing error> It was hardly a losing error, for example Chessbase underlines that the draw looked inevitable (Monokroussos calls it pretty straightforward) up until Carlsen's 60. ... Re5?? |
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| Feb-04-09 | | notyetagm: 61 ?
click for larger viewWow, Monokroussos gives Wang Yue's 61st move the highly coveted !!-annotation. http://chessmind.powerblogs.com/fil... 61 f5-f6!!  (Monokroussos)
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| Feb-07-09 | | Glossu: This game just shows how resilent and masterful is Wang Yue. Some people in his comments has insulted him. Guys: Home many of us could face a genius like Carlsen, survive and even take the whole point. Wang Yue is a star that shines with proper light. |
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| Feb-08-09 | | Bondsamir: That's it the empire of Carlsen is declining AS I HOPE. I'm not a hater though. |
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| Feb-08-09 | | Udit Narayan: this photo is taken by genius or clairvoyant, or both --- magnus looking away from the board, unsure of what moves may come, what destiny has to say about the best players after kasparov... wang yue, the chinese prodigy, preparing to fight the gladiator in a tense battle... and in the focus shot, the centre of the photo, hands deep in pockets, a brave handsome face with chiseled features, a self-reliant pioneer, a fighter with incredible strength of will, a confident pose striking sergei karjakin...winner of CORUS 2009. 3 PRODIGIES...but ONE STANDING... |
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| Feb-16-09 | | notyetagm: <Udit Narayan: this photo is taken by genius or clairvoyant, or both --- magnus looking away from the board, unsure of what moves may come, what destiny has to say about the best players after kasparov... wang yue, the chinese prodigy, preparing to fight the gladiator in a tense battle... and in the focus shot, the centre of the photo, hands deep in pockets, a brave handsome face with chiseled features, a self-reliant pioneer, a fighter with incredible strength of will, a confident pose striking sergei karjakin...winner of CORUS 2009. 3 PRODIGIES...but ONE STANDING...>
You Karjakin fans are most erudite. :-) |
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| Feb-16-09 | | notyetagm: <Glossu: This game just shows how resilent and masterful is Wang Yue.> Indeed.
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| Feb-22-09 | | percyblakeney: Wang Yue offered draw after 18. Qc4:
http://blog.magnuschess.com/1235086... |
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| Feb-22-09 | | shahjinan: Btw....in Photo...seems like Wue is sleepy.....and Carlsen wanted him to play this game:D..JK |
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| Apr-12-09 | | ninjaVariation: i bet he would't be sleepy with naka!:D |
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| Jul-20-17 | | bubuli55: Wang Dang Doodle. All Night Long. |
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| Aug-06-18 | | Inocencio: Never underestimate the Asians, especially the Chinese! |
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| Jul-25-21 | | Messiah: That hair, jeesus... |
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