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| May-07-13 | | whiteshark: Mate is going to happen willy-nilly. |
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| May-07-13 | | King Sacrificer: <f6> is usually a great spot for a pawn for a mating attack. This time it needs to be removed for a mate. |
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| May-07-13 | | Abdel Irada: <<•> Ways and Means <•>> There are two easy paths to victory in this puzzle. One is the "quiet" crusher 32. Qh4, forcing Black to give up his queen to delay mate, and while this is not very "puzzle-like," it is certainly good enough for the full point. But since this is a puzzle, it makes sense to look for the most efficient available continuation, and here that is <<•> 32. Qxg6†! ... >. Black has no real options: (a) 32. ...Qg7? 33. Qxg7#. <<•> 32. ...fxg633. f7†, Qxf7
34. Rh8# >
A full point if you found the "puzzle" solution. Extra credit if you saw that it is not the only way to win. ∞ |
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May-07-13
 | | chrisowen: Either in guess it doubled in candidate eg its a,
net in too puff queen in a jacket over h4 or,
devious again g6 lightning hook one for the quick kill queen home straight ar good na tickle (ptod), in a don it is pine for change a ride lights in,
rich again ever green the optimist in bleep bleep bleep jag herd geed ja hoofed up esp in 32.qh4, radio call it is that in see be 32.qxg6+ segregate,
and mitigate a mind to ok be 32...fxg6 steam giving a roller f7+ king stands fast beck and call 34.rh8#. |
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| May-07-13 | | Abdel Irada: <andrewjsacks: I'm thinking 32.a3, but it might be a little slow.> Indeed. It converts our mate-in-three into a mate-in-four. ∞ |
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| May-07-13 | | Lambda: I was staring at 32. Qh4 trying to work out the catch, so obvious and un-puzzle-like it is. |
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| May-07-13 | | TrollKing: 32. Qh4 Qg7
33. fxg7 f5
34. Qh7+ Kf7
35. g8=Q#
Double Queen, double check mate!!
Way sexier!! |
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| May-07-13 | | kevin86: There are several roads to Rome here:My move is Qh4. I like <Trollking>'s variation. |
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| May-07-13 | | Rafuyla: What's wrong with 32.Qh4 ? |
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| May-07-13 | | BOSTER: <FSR> <didn't even think of 32.Qxg6, but I'm claiming full credit>.
But my opinion for <full credit> you have to see both lines, and certainly the sacr. the queen is more aesthetic, and more with Tuesday's <standard>. <Phony Benoni> Nice to see you here. |
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| May-07-13 | | RookFile: I would certainly play 32. Qh4. As somebody wrote once - leave the brillancies to Keres. Just win the game and get out of there. |
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| May-07-13 | | BlackSheep: I agre with <john2629> in a game I just would have played Qh4 the lazy mans calculation but as I'm in "puzzle mode" as it were I didnt even consider it my brain instantly saw Qxg6 is a forced mate and when you can force the issue there's nothing left to do . The trouble with a Qh4 type move is it allows you the chance (not in this position obviously) to overlook something and this free tempo could be costly on another board in another time . |
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| May-07-13 | | Amarande: Bleah, how inelegant can I get.
Found Rh8+ didn't work, somehow missed Qxg6+ and Qh4, instead came up with 32 Rh6. At least it looks to win just as effectively as the others - on an indifferent move, there is 33 Rxg6+ fxg6 34 Qxg6+ Kh8 35 f7+ and mate at g7 or h6. Black can only try to trouble the White Bishop, but if 32 ... Qe8 33 Rh8+ works after all, nor does 32 ... Rd5 save the game: 33 Rxg6+ fxg6 34 Qxg6+ Kh8 35 Qh5+! (not f7+? Rxe5) Kg8 36 f7+ and mate at f7 or h8. |
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May-07-13
 | | fm avari viraf: A quick glance reveals that Black's King is in jeopardy. After 32.Qh4 Black's fate is sealed & the coffin is ready for funeral. |
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May-07-13
 | | FSR: <BOSTER> You can only win a game once. One easily winning line is sufficient. I don't usually look for more unless the position feels like there should be something even better. |
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| May-07-13 | | MostlyWatch: I've found an elegant explanation but I can't get the automtatic formatting here to show it. It always comes out as a lot of complex, headachey chaos-looking hash, so this time I kibitz not! |
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| May-07-13 | | BOSTER: <RookFile> <leave the brilliance to Keres, just win the game>.
32.Qxg6-<the "puzzle" solution> according to <A.I.>, and I agree with him. |
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| May-07-13 | | Patriot: Unless I'm missing something, this one requires a quiet threat -- 32.Qh4. Black's only move is 32...Qg7 which loses immediately. -----
32.Qxg6+ never occurred to me. Oh well--a win is a win! |
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| May-07-13 | | BOSTER: <FSR> <One easily winning line is sufficient>. Not always.
My guess, that the problems not visualize all variations occur, because you try to find the solution without looking at diagram back how you wrote sometimes.
But if this is good for you, let's play this way. |
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| May-07-13 | | jussu: For aesthetics, I would prefer 32. Qh4, but in a practical game, I'd probably chicken out and go 32. Qxg6 because of its forcing nature. |
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May-07-13
 | | Diademas: I saw Qh4 within seconds, and could not find a defence for that. But I have to admitt that the played moves are much cuter... |
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| May-07-13 | | KFitzgerald: It has been a while since I've done the puzzle, but I immediately saw this one. I like Queen sacs for the win. |
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| May-07-13 | | perfessor: Interesting to see the debate over which move is best. IMO, 32. Qxg6+ is clearly best, since it forces mate in 3. But my guess is that 32. Qh4, while slower in theory, forces resignation in 1! So which is better?? |
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| May-07-13 | | Jambow: After I saw Qh4 what else was to find? |
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| May-07-13 | | Patriot: <<Jambow>: After I saw Qh4 what else was to find?> I completely agree. Qh4 is usually enough to cause any player to resign. Anyone who has ever gone through games of the best player's would know this to be true. It would be more of an issue if it meant the difference between being a pawn up or the exchange over mate in three. |
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sac: 32.Qxg6+