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Anton Filippov vs Ngoc Truong Son Nguyen
Khanty-Mansiysk Olympiad (2010), Khanty-Mansiysk RUS, rd 3, Sep-23
French Defense: Steinitz. Boleslavsky Variation (C11)  ·  0-1

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Nov-05-10  solskytz: Beautiful! What I saw is the following delicate manoeuver along two white-squared diagnoals:

1... Nd2+
2. BxN Qe2+
3. Kg2 Qf1+
4. Kf3

Now the repetition-draw is obvious, but instead...

4... Be2+
5. Ke3 Bc4

getting the bishop out of the way with tempo. Seems to me that White cannot both save his queen and thwart a queen checkmate on e3. Is that right?

Time to check

Nov-05-10  agb2002: The material is even.

White threatens 32.Qxb5.

Black can finish the attack against the white king with 31... Ne5+ 32.fxe5 (32.dxe5 Be2+ 33.Kg2 Qf1#; 32.Kg2 Qf1#) Be2+ 33.Kf4 (33.Kg2 Qf1#) g5#.

Nov-05-10  solskytz: oops.... looks like I just threw a piece away. Now I see 6. Bd3 at the end of my variation. Frustration!!

You see - chess is purely a game of luck. No skill at all is required.

Let's suppose that I play a weaker opponent. I calculated a deep mating variation and had to see everything. My opponent needs to see nothing... it's enough that he doesn't resign because of my obvious confidence in playing the moves, and then after I deliver the killing knock-out punch, it's enough that he sees, or just blindly goes 6. Bd3, enjoying the hole in my computation.

It's a little bit like in table-tennis when you win a point because your opponent, who is obviously stronger, does a smash, or spiking shot into your field which then goes out.

Of course, you look a little bit longer, you also find the 6. Bd3 spoiler... I actually looked at 1...Ne5+ but didn't really see how to continue after that.

Nov-05-10  David2009: A Filippov vs Ngoc Truongson Nguyen, 2010 postscript:


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31...Ne5+! is not only best, it seems to be the only way to win. Thus my first suggestion 31...Bb4 is met by 32 Bd1; <solskytz>'s suggestion <1... Nd2+ 2. BxN Qe2+ 3. Kg2 Qf1+ 4. Kf3 4... Be2+ 5. Ke3 Bc4> is met by 6. Bd3; and <LoveThatJoker>'s 31...Ba4 is met by 32 Qb7! with perpetual check threats.

Source of these refutations: the colours-reversed position fed in to Crafty End Game Trainer: http://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t...

Nov-05-10  goodevans: A little too easy for a Friday :(
Nov-05-10  cocker: Like <LoveThatJoker> I found 31 ... ♗a4, which should win, but missed the key move. I have a mental block stopping me putting a piece on a square attacked by two pawns!
Nov-05-10  JG27Pyth: Stopped myself from Nd2+ just in time. Then found Ne5+.
Nov-05-10  zb2cr: I fell into the 31. ... Nd2+ trap. Bah.
Nov-05-10  solskytz: In my opinion, LovethatJoker's 31...Ba4 gives black a decent advantage (of course, nothing nearly as good as 31...Ne5+, but that goes without saying) after 32. Qb7. I'm up a piece for nothing with an absolutely crushing game after 31...Ba4 32. Qb7 Qxe3+ 33. Kg2 Kf7 34. Bb3 Bxb3 35. ab Nd2.

I actually don't understand why the endgame trainer doesn't take my loose B on a4 but rather proceeds 34. Bb3. The correct move is certainly 34. Bxa4 a5. I'm still better. My pieces are more effective in the attack than his - but I'm sure we've fallen into a bug in the endgame trainer. 34. Bb3 is crazy and easily squashed.

What do you think?

Nov-05-10  Oxnard: 31…Ne5+! Now if 32. dxe5 black plays Be2+ and 33. Kg2 Qf1# OR if 32. fxe5 from white then 32… Be2+ 33. Kf4 g5#. Quite easy today.
Nov-05-10  sesha: pardon me if i am being stupid. but i don't understand how Nd6 wins material for black. Also i think 31 Bd3 h5 32. Ne5 is much better alternative because the knight controls much more squares.
Nov-05-10
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  NM JRousselle: It is very interesting to read the comments with regard to the difficulty of today's puzzle.

I often wonder how many times during a game we think, "Gee, I'm now at the "puzzle" part of my game." Of course, nobody really thinks like that.

What makes this puzzle "difficult" is that Black has positional advantages that need to be considered. This puzzle took me about 45 seconds to solve because I was wondering if the advantage of the 2 bishops would be enough to win this ending. If I had not known this was the "puzzle" position in my game, I would not likely have found Ne5.

Nov-05-10
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  scormus: scormus: Easy to go wrong here by choosing 31 ... Nd2+. Its important that the WB stays on e3. So 31 ... Ne5+. If 32 Kg2 Qf1#
If 32 fxe5 Be2+ 33 Kf4 g5# (or 33 Kg2 Qf1#)
If 32 dxe5 Be2+ 33 Kg2 Qf1#

Seems too simple, but I think it covers everything.

No .... I didnt consider 0-1 ;-)

Nov-05-10  gofer: The king is stuck on white squares, by no less than 4 of its own pieces and yet white is dominating the white squares around the king! This is a recipe for disaster. But how to make the most of it???

31 ... Nd2+ leapt out at me (3 seconds maybe?). But after about another half an hour of looking at it, I was still no further! I then I looked at Bb4, but finally, I went back to my original plan, but this time with a new checking square for the knight!

31 ... Ne5+
32 fxe5 Bd2+ (Kg2 Qf1# or dxe5 Bd2+ Kg2 Qf1#)
33 Kf4 g5#

Mate with a lowly pawn how nice for a Friday!!!

Nov-05-10
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  scormus: <solskytz: oops.... looks like I just threw a piece away.>

If its any consolation I nearly posted your line, thinking it won. Good thing I saw the crafty B move that saves the WQ!

Nov-05-10  Patriot: I spent over a minute looking at 31...Nd2+ because it is so forcing. But because I couldn't find a convincing continuation I then turned to 31...Ne5+ which forces mate.

<<solskytz>: oops.... looks like I just threw a piece away. Now I see 6. Bd3 at the end of my variation. Frustration!! You see - chess is purely a game of luck. No skill at all is required.>

There's no doubt chess does include luck. It is there because of the "human element". If you didn't get quite enough sleep, or your blood sugar goes too high or too low, or you had a disagreement with your spouse, etc. etc. it all impacts analysis. Generally the better your analysis becomes, the stronger the player you will be so it doesn't completely involve luck. If it was all luck, I assure you my rating would not have gone up and you wouldn't see such consistency in strong players.

I would say luck becomes a stronger element when players are of the same rating. Theoretically two players of the same rating will have a balanced number of wins, draws, and losses against each other after a lot of games. But this may not always be true either, because of different playing styles.

Nov-05-10  ashvalkyrie: JG27Pyth: Stopped myself from Nd2+ just in time. Then found Ne5+.

well, i couldnt .. xD

Nov-05-10  kevin86: I was trying to do something with the knight via Nd2+,but the main thing is for the knight to GET out of the way! The sac at e5 does that without the bishop vacating an escape square or enabling the queen to take part in the defense.

It was a case of zig-zag and I picked zig.

Zag was the correct answer,the less forcing,but more effective move.

Nov-05-10  solskytz: Of course, the element of luck shows itself in a single game, not over an extended playing period. And very well done for the steep rise of your rating! That's great work. I read many of Heisman's articles and I like them. The guy surely knows how to work.

My own mistake in analysis, as shown in this puzzle, was what Mr. Heisman calls "Quiescence error" if I remember correctly. It is actually "Stopping calculations when the situation is still 'hot', as in - rife with tactical threats and counter-threats".

I said - well, black surely can't defend against both threats... they are both very powerful - a checkmate, a queen... they are in (relatively) removed areas of the board... just too much.

It would take that extra bit of looking, to discover a beautiful interception that counter-attacks the black queen (AND the bishop!), covers the checkmate at the last moment - and incidentally clings to the extra piece, to add a dimension of derision to the refutation of my variation.

Nov-05-10
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  Sastre: <sesha: pardon me if i am being stupid. but i don't understand how Nd6 wins material for black. Also i think 31 Bd3 h5 32. Ne5 is much better alternative because the knight controls much more squares> 33.Nd6 doesn't win material, but Black is already winning because he is a piece up. 31.Bd3 h5 32.Ne5 Qxe3+ 33.Kg2 Nxe5 34.Bxb5 Qxb3 35.axb3 Ng4 is also winning for Black.
Nov-05-10  goldenbear: I got Ba4 instantly and I didn't understand how this was a Friday puzzle. Now that I see that I missed Ne5!, I still don't think this was a Friday puzzle. Ne5 is obvious.
Nov-05-10  Patriot: <solskytz>

Thanks! I did a lot of work to accomplish that but Dan has given me a lot of great advice and pointed me in the right direction. I try to provide some of the same advice on here, trying to be helpful, but seldomly get comments so I'm not sure if it does any good or if anyone reads it sometimes.

You're right about quiescence errors. But not seeing the Bd3 move could also be a board vision error, which is a completely different issue. It could also be that you "played (solved) too fast", in which case it becomes a time management issue. I never considered your variation at all but looked at other lines that made me suspicious of Nd2+. So then I looked at another check (Ne5+) and came across a forced mate and never went back to Nd2+.

<My own mistake in analysis, as shown in this puzzle, was what Mr. Heisman calls "Quiescence error" if I remember correctly. It is actually "Stopping calculations when the situation is still 'hot', as in - rife with tactical threats and counter-threats".> Very well stated.

One way of looking at luck in chess, is that ratings provide probability. Let's say a 1500 rated player plays against a master. Statistically the 1500 player will win a much smaller percentage of the games. When they do win it can be called luck. The player may say they were lucky, other's may say "Wow, I can't believe you won!" But statistically it's going to happen on rare occasion.

Nov-05-10  MaczynskiPratten: <solskytz: You see - chess is purely a game of luck. No skill at all is required.> Sometimes it's applying the skill in the right way. As pointed out by Simon Webb in the classic "Chess For Tigers", you're more likely to beat a weak player reliably with a steady positional crush than a spectacular sacrificial attack that might go wrong. Why take risks when you should beat him anyway? Conversely, as a weak player against a strong one, you may get better chances by "mixing it" a bit - you'll probably lose spectacularly, but sometimes you'll strike lucky - like a boxer in an all-out slugfest.

Bill Hartston in "How to Cheat at Chess" has another variant; a spoof formula including the number of moves you had to see ahead and the likely gain in material. It actually made sense - the more possible variations there are, the bigger the chance you've missed something and will fall flat on your face at the end.

Nov-05-10  patzer2: <Jimfromprovidence> Obviously you meant 29. Kf3? was the losing move. Instead, 29. a4 seems to be White's best chance to survive.

After 29. a4 Nxg4 30. Nxg4 Bxg4 31. Qxa4 Qxa4 32. Bxa4 h5! Black has an outside passed pawn with pressure, but White may be able to survive the complications.

Nov-05-10  Once: <patriot: ... but seldomly get comments ...>

My friend, yours are some of the most lucid and helpful comments on this site. I certainly look forward to what you have to say each day.

I get the impression that this site has lots of lurkers who read, enjoy and learn but don't necessarily comment. I wouldn't worry too much about the occasional silence - it hides a lot of watching eyes.

If that's not too scary a concept!

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