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Jun-15-11
 | | FSR: When one has two bishops against two knights, it's important to keep the knights restricted - as with 27.Be5! Ne6 28.b4!, chasing the knight to the ghastly b7 square. White is crushing Black here. The game continuation allowed Black's knights to recover and come to good squares - c6 and d5 - which induced White to sacrifice an exchange just to get rid of one of them. This is where White lost the thread of the game. |
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| Jun-15-11 | | fab4: <perfidious: <fab4: <perfidious > 38.b4 is ridiculous. Too loosening.>
At move 38, I quite agree, but my suggestion was 28.b4-different story.> I meant 28.b4 as perhaps you well know .. 28.b4 to me seems too risky and loosening ..These kind of moves have to achieve something substantial pretty quickly for them to be worth playing. I'll give it another look though. |
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| Jun-15-11 | | fab4: b4 only works if white can push thru g5/h5 (in that order) .. black's a5 is good. So white's attack has to be quick . Still not analyized concrete lines but b4 is bridge burning stuff. |
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Jun-15-11
 | | perfidious: <fab4: b4 only works if white can push thru g5/h5 (in that order) .. black's a5 is good. So white's attack has to be quick .
Still not analyized concrete lines but b4 is bridge burning stuff.> White doesn't have to stick to that plan, though that began as his intention, as he's free to swing his attention to the queenside and use his spatial (and soon to come, material) advantage to drive Black to the wall. Once the heavy pieces find their way to the queenside-also helping cover the white king-it's all up with him. It may well be, as I noted a while back in this thread, that after 27.Be5 Ne6 28.b4, Black's best chance would be 28....Rxd7, as 28....Nb7 29.Qb5 or Qa6 are getting to look monumentally ugly. |
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| Jun-15-11 | | AGOJ: Hi <perfidious>, <FSR>, I agree with you that 28.b4 is strong, and that if White plays it, then the plan changes, and White will play on the queenside. I wouldn't have contemplated it during play (perhaps lacking flexibility of thought), because White is all set up for a kingside attack, and I do believe that there is an attack here giving White an advantage. It all depends on the clock as well. In a fast game I think the kingside attack is better, but with a time control like 2h/40 moves etc, then maybe the 28.b4 plan. In any case, thank you for pointing out the move b4; I learned something from it, and from your last few posts. |
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Jun-16-11
| | FSR: Where White's pieces dominate the queenside, as they did here, it is possible for White to push pawns in front of his own castled king. It happens in the Saemisch King's Indian all the time, e.g. Zsuzsa Polgar vs Z Kiss, 1980. |
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Jun-16-11
| | FSR: Incidentally, knights really suck on b7, e.g., Soltis vs A J Goldsby, 1981, so driving your opponent's knight there tends to be a good thing. If you're defending the endgame of two bishops versus knight, disregard the above advice, since there the various "N2" squares (b7, g7, b2, and g2) are the key squares the knight should occupy. See P Popovic vs Korchnoi, 1984. (Computers proved 20 years ago that that ending is a theoretical win - though it's very difficult, see Timman vs Speelman, 1992.) |
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| Jun-16-11 | | fab4: <perfidious> <FSR:> Yeah 28.b4 is good.. I did'nt like a5 but Qa6 looks very strong. The bishop pair is very strong too in this position, much stronger than the black knights. I kinda underestimated this lol. |
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Jun-16-11
 | | LIFE Master AJ: Very strange.
Black could have been forced to play with a Knight on b7. In my last round game, (A E Franklin vs A J Goldsby, 2011); White got stuck with a Knight on b2. |
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| Jun-16-11 | | AGOJ: <FSR: Incidentally, knights really suck on b7,(...) If you're defending the endgame of two bishops versus knight, disregard the above advice, since there the various "N2" squares (b7, g7, b2, and g2) are the key squares the knight should occupy.> Thanks, I didn't know that! |
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Jun-16-11
| | FSR: <LMAJ: Very strange.
Black could have been forced to play with a Knight on b7. In my last round game, (A E Franklin vs A J Goldsby, 2011); White got stuck with a Knight on b2.> Somehow I didn't think of that one. I get a feeling of revulsion every time I see a white knight on b2 or a black knight on b7, and I certainly got that playing over the Franklin game. The idiot knight just sat there and got eaten by a pawn. Another example of how pathetic such a knight is. Set up this position - WHITE: pawn on a6, king on h1; BLACK: knight on b7, king on d7. Black to move. The black knight is WORSE THAN USELESS. If it were not there, Black could draw trivially with Kc7 (or Kc6 or Kc8), eating the pawn in two more moves. With the knight there, 1...Kc7 2.a7 and Black gnashes his teeth in frustration at his traitorous knight. |
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Jun-16-11
| | LIFE Master AJ: <<<FSR> Somehow I didn't think of that one. I get a feeling of revulsion every time I see a white knight on b2 or a black knight on b7, and I certainly got that playing over the Franklin game. The idiot knight just sat there and got eaten by a pawn.> Another example of how pathetic such a knight is. Set up this position - WHITE: pawn on a6, king on h1; BLACK: knight on b7, king on d7. Black to move. The black knight is WORSE THAN USELESS. If it were not there, Black could draw trivially with Kc7 (or Kc6 or Kc8), eating the pawn in two more moves. With the knight there, 1...Kc7 2.a7 and Black gnashes his teeth in frustration at his traitorous knight.> Good point. I think that Benko once wrote a column about Knights stuck on b2, b7, g7 and g2. *****
Gellineau,Antonio C. (1963) - Goldsby I,A.J. (2211) [B52]
Birmingham Open (CL, 2-day) Birmingham, AL (5), 28.05.2011 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.Bb5+ Bd7 4.Bxd7+ Qxd7 5.0-0 Nc6 6.c3 Nf6 7.d4 Qc7 8.d5 Nb8 9.Re1 Nbd7 10.c4 g6 11.Nc3 a6 12.Qa4 Bg7 13.e5 dxe5 14.Nxe5 0-0 15.Nxd7 Qxd7 16.Qxd7 Nxd7 17.Rxe7 Ne5 18.Bh6 Bxh6 19.Rxe5 Bg7 20.Re7 b5 21.cxb5 axb5 22.Nxb5 Bxb2 23.Rd1 Rxa2 24.Re2 Ra1 25.Rxa1 Bxa1 26.d6 Kg7 27.g3 Rb8 28.Re1 Bf6 29.Nc7 Kf8 30.d7 Rd8 31.Re8+ Kg7 32.Rxd8 Bxd8 33.Nd5 f5 34.Kf1 Kf7 35.Ke2 Ke6 36.Ne3 Kxd7 37.Kd3 Bf6 38.f3 Bd4 39.Nc2 Bg1 40.h3 Ke6 41.g4 Ke5 42.Ke2 c4 43.h4 Bc5 44.gxf5 gxf5 45.Ne1 h5 46.Ng2 f4 47.Kd2 Bb4+ 48.Kc2 Ba5 49.Kb2 Bc7 50.Kc3 Kd5 0-1 The position after Black's 44th move:
click for larger viewPlay proceeded: 45.Ne1?! (Better was 45.h5, although White is still quite lost.) 45...h5! (Played quickly, I only had about 2-3 minutes left on my clock at this point. The idea is to fix the WP on a dark square) 46.Ng2, (White had nothing better.) And now we have this position:
click for larger viewAnother Knight on the worst of squares!!! (I seem to be seeing a lot of this lately.) ****** ***** ***** *****
I don't like draws, the main line is very drawish. I mucked this game up (in the opening, 11...a6?) something terrible, and was both fortunate - and had to work extremely hard - not to lose. White offered a draw after 28.Re1. It was obvious that I could chop all the wood, and three Pawns vs. three (Plus Kings and one Rook apiece.) is a boring draw. I think its the masters job to try and create something out of nothing ... I have done this many times. |
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Jun-16-11
| | LIFE Master AJ: <Jun-10-11 njchess: Tough game AJ. It was a real dogfight, that much is obvious. After 12. h3, you have a definite advantage since Black has little or no counter play.> Thank you for your honest and insightful comments.
Needless to say, I did not want to lose the game. I still maintain - that against most players, (When I get an attack AND my opponent is opponent has even less time on the clock than me.) - that a direct attack is usually the best way to decide things. And good or bad, part of my style is to attack the other guy's King. A J Goldsby vs Roger Johnson, 2011 is one of the few examples where I chose an entirely different plan. (Much different than my normal MODUS OPERANDI of a squared attack on the opponent's King!) The truth is, I still have MUCH to learn about chess. ("When to attack?" When to squeeze? When to play for a slightly better endgame?) These are all questions I have to work out for myself. I AM very excited!!! After 35 years of playing ONLY 1.e2-e4, I am finally starting to play all openings. And to be honest, I often reach a position (nowadays) when I am not really sure of what EXACTLY I should do. (Experience is no help, I have never played many of these openings before.) So forgive me if I occasionally bumble about ... I am having great fun ... and learning a lot as well. (I am also learning a TON when I analyze the game with a computer!) |
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Jun-16-11
| | LIFE Master AJ: I said: "White offered a draw after 28.Re1. It was obvious that I could chop all the wood, and three Pawns vs. three (Plus Kings and one Rook apiece.) is a boring draw." I should have (more accurately) said: "White offered a draw after 28.Re1. It was obvious that I could chop all the wood, and three Pawns vs. three (Plus Kings and one Rook apiece.) ... <<with all the Pawns on the same side of the board>> ... is a boring draw. |
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Jun-16-11
| | LIFE Master AJ: There are some VERY complicated R+P endings where both sides have 2-3 Pawns (my books are full of them) ... I was NOT trying to make light of this endgame! (Just convey the general feeling that the ending I would have reached was about as drawn as they get.) I seem to have a real talent for (sometimes) being misconstrued. However, if I was just a bit more accurate in my communications, perhaps this would not happen as frequently as it does. |
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Jun-17-11
| | perfidious: So, Tony Gellineau is still around, I see!
He was living in Boston in the mid 1980s, where we played a number of events together, and met once. Very nice guy. |
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| Aug-11-11 | | kakashi767: bad play on both sides |
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| Aug-14-11 | | dotsamoht: Given the rating difference, White should try 48 f6. He has nothing to lose and Black has no immediate threats, just a material advantage. Maybe something like 48 f6 gxf 49 Rf5 and hope for a mistake. |
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Aug-31-11
| | LIFE Master AJ: not a bad idea ... |
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| Jan-30-12 | | SynthStatic: After bearing witness to this I feel the need to phone the police and report a rape. Harry likes to deflower them hairy cherries. |
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| Feb-17-12 | | King Death: <AJ> Re your comments on the variation 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.Bb5+, have you ever tried 3...Nd7 instead of 3...Bd7? Today I have no clue how theory looks at things but it seems like more of a fighting game and I agree that 3...Bd7 has always been pretty drawish. |
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Mar-16-23
| | perfidious: <Jim: This may seem obvious, but getting the sort of game you're comfortable playing can be just as important as making the absolute best move. If you don't enjoy taking a b-pawn with the queen and then having the queen kicked around while trying to maintain the material edge, why play that way, even if analysis shows it to be (slightly) the best move?> As none of us are elite GMs, much less facing off with Stockfish or the other silicon monstahs, in general it makes far more sense to steer towards positions in which one feels at home. |
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| Mar-16-23 | | savagerules: Don't know if AJ is around anymore on here but instead of the lemon 34. Qf4, the sacrifice 34. Bxh7+! probably wins as it blows up Black's king protection. There are a multitude of options but White looks good in all of them. Maybe a computer can hold it but I doubt even that. I imagine both players were low on time so that may explain why it was missed. |
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| Mar-16-23 | | Aminda: 34. g6 seems stronger. |
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Mar-16-23
 | | Chessical: <savagerules> 
click for larger viewThe bishop sacrifice on <h7> does not seem to work. Putting the position into an engine: <34. Bxh7+> Kxh7 35. g6+ Kg8 (<35... fxg6?> loses after 36. hxg6+ Kg8 37. Rh8+ Kxh8 38. Qh3+) 36. h6 (<36. gxf7+?!> Qxf7 37. h6 Qd7 and Black is much better) 36...fxg6 37. Qxg6 Rc8 38. Rg4 Rd1+ 39. Kc2 Rd7 and Black is much better. As already mentioned <34.g6> seems best (=) |
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