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|Nov-21-11|| ||Marmot PFL: To me it seemed white got little or nothing from the opening, but, needing a win sacrificed a pawn for initiative. Black defended well and returned the pawn to simplify, which should logically have led to a draw. But in time trouble anything is possible.|
|Nov-21-11|| ||JeffCaruso: <Marmot PFL: To me it seemed white got little or nothing from the opening, but, needing a win sacrificed a pawn for initiative.> Actually Koneru rattled off the first 17 moves in just a couple of minutes. Thus many of us believe the pawn sacrifice was planned before the game started, i.e. all opening prep. |
White had ample compensation for the pawn but she missed some key opportunities to sharpen the attack.
|Nov-21-11|| ||ILoveCrazyhouse: 19. Bxf7 looks best to me. Close to winning. I don't care what the engines say. Excellent chances to win, most importantly.|
|Nov-21-11|| ||YouRang: <tamar: Sad to see Humpy so crestfallen in the after interview.
She missed 30 Bxf6 gxf6 31 Bd5 which would have kept her edge, but she did not calculate it on this move, although she had seen it earlier.>|
Yes, I was just going to mention this as well, and only because it's a fairly simple tactic -- one she might be expected to find even in time pressure.
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After 30.Bxf6 gxf6 31.Bd5, she forks the R and Pf5, plus she has Rxc7.
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|Nov-21-11|| ||Marmot PFL: <After 30.Bxf6 gxf6 31.Bd5, she forks the R and Pf5, plus she has Rxc7.>|
31...Re4-e5 32 Bxb7 Bb5 and white has to give up pf5, as the Rf1 needs to guard the back rank.
|Nov-21-11|| ||Marmot PFL: <Actually Koneru rattled off the first 17 moves in just a couple of minutes. Thus many of us believe the pawn sacrifice was planned before the game started, i.e. all opening prep. >|
Could be, and might have worked against a weaker player (or team, I don't know what Hou's support is). I have played 5 Qa4+ also, but it doesn't seem very effective against good players.
|Nov-21-11|| ||Ulhumbrus: After 24...Re3 White's Rook on f1 is tied to the defence of the f5 pawn. This suggests 25 h3 preparing g4 so as to free the Rook|
|Nov-21-11|| ||Domdaniel: <Ezzy> I agree. With each game, it becomes clearer that Hou is simply the stronger player.|
|Nov-21-11|| ||al wazir: Or 37...Nf2+ 38. Kg1 Nh3+ 39. Kh1 40. gxh3 (40. Kh1 Bxg2#) Rg3+ 41. Bd4 Bxd4+ etc.).|
|Nov-21-11|| ||YouRang: <Marmot PFL: <After 30.Bxf6 gxf6 31.Bd5, she forks the R and Pf5, plus she has Rxc7.>|
31...Re4-e5 32 Bxb7 Bb5 and white has to give up pf5, as the Rf1 needs to guard the back rank.>
Yes, perhaps that's why Koneru opted against 31.Bd5, but even so she would have been better (again, not too hard to see):
<31.Bd5 R4e5 32.Bxb7 Bb5>, as you suggest, and then <33.Rfd1> saving the rook and allowing black to take Pf5 <33...Rxf5> [diagram]
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Just considering the pawns, white has two pairs of connected pawns while black has 4 isolated pawns. A substantial endgame advantage for white I think.
White can how play <34.h3> to relieve her back rank problems, and black has a rough endgame ahead.
|Nov-21-11|| ||Marmot PFL: <White can how play <34.h3> to relieve her back rank problems, and black has a rough endgame ahead.>|
I would probably play 34 Bf3 first to stop both Rf2 and Re2, then continue with your idea (h3). White has whatever winning chances there are, but with double rooks I would expect most pawns on both sides to be gobbled up, or else some position where one of the kings is subjected to repetition by checks.
|Nov-21-11|| ||goldenbear: I think 17.f5 was premature even though the computers think it was best.|
|Nov-21-11|| ||ksr: http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp...
Vishy Anand on Humpy's prospects ..
What's the way to beat Hou?
Humpy has to be tactically much more alert. The initiative has to be converted into a point. She has to find a way to improve her technique. There is no point in outplaying someone if (she) can find an escape tactically. Hou is not a clear favourite as such. But she is dangerous.
|Nov-21-11|| ||goldenbear: The 'beginner's move' 17.Rae1 seems to me to be a more practical way to prevent Be6.|
|Nov-21-11|| ||xanadu: It is a mistake to play Ragozin for Koneru versus Yifan. First, I do not think Koneru got a slight advantage after the opening (I more agree with MamotPFT). It seems Hou got good pressure after 10...e5. Previously Hou got advantage in development and since 10... e4 in space also. Then the game entered into Hou territory: tactical complications, where she is a better player, and we see the result. Thus, the way to play for Koneru in this match should be different: to go into a very positional game, like Catalan, avoid Nimo India or Ragozine structures, try to keep a small positional advantage and try to improve her position in a long end, full of patience. This already happened in the two first games of the match. Then, after Koneru lost in game 3, she moved away from this plan and the result is terrific. Hou is demonstrating she got madurity, patience to play, not forcing complications (games 4 and 5) and taken the risk for winnng in games 2 and 6. Koneru on the other hand demonstrate she needs to keep a plan and not to let her opponnet go where she doesn´t want.|
|Nov-21-11|| ||nolanryan: wish I could see the look on Hou's (and Koneru's) face when she pounded down Ne4. so f-ing brutal|
|Nov-21-11|| ||sevenseaman: Koneru has lacked composure and a game plan. If she reviews coolly she will find that she has panicked at critical junctures when it was time to push ahead confidently.|
That will only come about if she has a clear-headed, well thought out plan and keeps nerve.
Recollect and review. She must stay with her own strengths rather than wander into those of her opponent.
Losing or winning is not as important as giving a good account of one's ability and capabilities.
|Nov-21-11|| ||Atking: <ILoveCrazyhouse: 19. Bxf7 looks best to me. Close to winning. I don't care what the engines say. Excellent chances to win, most importantly.> In live someone pointed out that 20.Bxf7+! KxB 20.Qb3+ Be6+ 21.fxB+ Qxe6 22.Rd7+ is pleasant for White. 22...Kg8 23.QxQ+ RxQ 24.Rxc7. Isn't it?
I think <sevenseaman> has also above a good point.|
|Nov-21-11|| ||Ladolcevita: <ksr>How prophetic Vishy's words were!
This is exactly what has generally ruled their match games so far,especially Koneru's two losses...
Congrats to Yifan,and I hope she's feeling much better now,according to her Weibo,she had suffered some abdominal pain ,and had to go to the hospital last night...|
|Nov-21-11|| ||King Death: In playing through grandmaster games, and playing some of them myself, one of the traits that makes them what they are is bulldog tenacity. They fight hard when the going gets hard and usually don't give anything away.|
One of the skills Kasparov had to gain to make the jump to title contender was overcoming the defensive skills at the super GM level. Even at 2600, they can play!
|Nov-22-11|| ||Atking: <Ladolcevita: <ksr> How prophetic Vishy's words were! This is exactly what has generally ruled their match games so far> Yes Anand's insight is again very impressive.
For Hou Yifan don't worry <Ladolcevita> seeing the game she played I think she has totally recovered.|
|Nov-22-11|| ||Ladolcevita: <Atking>
Yes,indeed!Maybe it's because this is her first time to defend the world champion and in a new format too...
|Nov-22-11|| ||YouRang: Re: the 30.Bxf6 idea we were discussing yesterday
<Koneru: “I saw the move 30.Bxf6 before, but I missed it in this position!” White has the initiative after 30...gxf6 31.Bd5>
|Dec-14-11|| ||Penguincw: Pretty annoying bishops.|
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