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|Feb-06-12|| ||DarthStapler: Got it easily|
|Feb-06-12|| ||Patriot: 33.Rxf6+
A) 33...Bxf6 34.Qf7#
B) 33...Ke8 34.Rxe6+ Qxe6 35.Rxe6+ Kd7 36.Re7+ Kxe7 37.Qxg7+ followed by 38.Qf7, 39.g7, 40.g8=Q etc.
C) 33...Ke7 AND 34.Rxe6+ Qxe6 35.Rxe6+ Kxe6 36.Qxg7 OR 34.Qxg7+ Kd8 35.R1xe6 (35.Rfxe6 Qf4+)
In line C, I prefer to simplify with 34.Rxe6+.
|Feb-06-12|| ||pedro123: 28...a5 is weak. After 28..Re8 I can't see how White can obviously progress. 29.Re1-Qxe1ch Re1: 30.Re1:ch Black has possibilities of setting up a fortress with ..Re5. It's hard for White to achieve anything with his Queen whilst maintaining his Bishop on f5. In any case ....a5? shows lack of a sense of danger.|
|Feb-06-12|| ||Penguincw: Well I saw the game before and a similar type of mating net before. So I got it. :)|
|Feb-06-12|| ||notyetagm: Game Collection: Lateral pins: pins across a RANK|
|Feb-06-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: <sevenseaman> Thank you for the compliment, man! I've noticed that you've been doing quite well lately yourself!|
Well yesterday (Sunday), I solved the puzzle, but I failed to put in what would happen after 1. RXP!! QxQ 2. RXN Qg4. I had obviously seen the move, but I didn't write down the continuation. So, my 13 straight streak ended yesterday and I finished the week at 6.5 out of 7.
I'm Mickey Adams fan. So, it's good to (hopefully) start a new streak with a player whose Chess I enjoy very much!
|Feb-06-12|| ||cjgone: Nice attack by Adams.|
|Feb-06-12|| ||kevin86: The rook sac leads to quick mate or the win of a queen after:33...e8 34 1xe6+ or 33...e7 34 xg7+|
|Feb-06-12|| ||MountainMatt: I will never be good at chess. Period.|
|Feb-06-12|| ||BlackSheep: Bloody typical , I looked over this game yesterday and now its POTD today ,bah .|
|Feb-06-12|| ||Shelter417: <Once> Not to outgeek you, but Han and Luke don't spend the night in the tauntaun's body; what Han does is cover Luke's body with the tauntaun's guts to keep him warm while he (Han, that is) builds a shelter.|
Also, you could argue that the Force led Han to Luke in the first place...assuming you don't buy the whole midichlorians thing, that is. ;)
|Feb-06-12|| ||Once: <Shelter417> I have been well and truly outgeeked. And your explanation is far less ucky than what I had always assumed.|
But answer me this one... how does the rescuer know that he has found <both> of them in the following morning when he has only heard Han speak?
|Feb-06-12|| ||newton296: okay, took me about 5 seconds to see alot of bad stuff is gonna happen to black after 33)Rxf6+|
|Feb-06-12|| ||Crispy Seagull: It seems lately I can solve Monday and Tuesday puzzles with ease, Wednesdays most of the time with a little effort, and occasionally grasp the general concepts of Thursday and Friday. The weekend puzzles are still just a TAD out of my league.|
|Feb-06-12|| ||chrisowen: Adams builds an over-whelming three pronged rook queen assualt bog standard in be a very presence in blacks kingside almost enough for capitulation breakthrough e5 ph5 I necken g6 and double in hfile or donkey it is little in long train black box horse the b6 cart relatively forked early on it family in manage be6+ nxe6 qh7+ kf8 rxf6+ one pathology it pe6 in too slow new line by OE in 6.f4 ukelele knight bow own trumpet ducking ok e5 feint in ar good malaize brave in the norman village nf8xe6 in checking sidestep rookxf6 mate in sixes et cetera gestapo queen I nearly it is right off in gq o blasts in rxe6 act next or fiction still qg7+ a river heading off.|
Terrific hinge rally for reference in b4 sooner choose in glass I see pe6 as trouble did mortgage the houses?
|Feb-06-12|| ||MichaelJHuman: I did not find this simple. Rxf6 is simple enough to see. If 33...BxR, game over I think.|
So I think black's K has to move. 33...e7 is one candidate move. White wins Bishop. White may be able to attempt to promote winning rook. White maybe be able to increase pressure with 35...Rxe8.
I am sure white comes out ahead but I am not good enough to solve specifics in my head.
Is there a forced mate in a small number of moves? Or just a loss of immediate material?
|Feb-06-12|| ||MichaelJHuman: 33...Ke7 34. Rxe6 Qxe6 35. Kxe6 QxB was the best line I could find.|
+4 points of material for white was what I calculated, with what seems to be imminent loss of black's rook to defend agains promotion.
Will have to play it out when I get home.
|Feb-06-12|| ||whiteshark: <33. Rxf6+> and that's it.|
|Feb-06-12|| ||Once: <MichaelJHuman> I find it helps to break it down into smaller chunks and to keep the analysis as simple as we need it to be.|
After 33. Rxf6, black has only three legal moves to get out of check. He can take the rook or move his king to e8 or e7. That's only three lines we need to look at.
The first is brutally short: 33. Rxf6 Bxf6 34. Qf7#
33.... Ke8 also doesn't inspire confidence...
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Fritzie says that there's a mate in 6 starting with 34. Qxb7+. But frankly we don't even need to go down that line. Simply 34. Rfxe6+ wins queen for rook. Okay so it's a longer mate (9 moves) but it's so clearly winning that you don't need to analyse any further.
Then there's 33....Ke7
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And again we could analyse all the way to a forced mate (it's mate in 6 according to the silicon sadist). But the easiest thing in the world is to snaffle material with Qxg7 followed by Rxe6. We are a clear rook up.
|Feb-06-12|| ||MichaelJHuman: Yeah, thanks, Once. I can see the lines are mating or winning material. Just wondered if I missed something obvious like mate in 3. I guess I didn't.|
|Feb-06-12|| ||ruzon: I think Black went wrong with 19...cxd4. I thought 19...c4 20. Be2 b3 forcing a pawn trade would have opened the c-file and been much more effective.|
|Feb-06-12|| ||Shelter417: <Once> I could be wrong, but I always thought the rescuer said "I've found him" (rather than "them"). If I'm wrong and he does in fact say "them," then I guess the best explanation I can give is that he assumes, due to Han's cheery voice and gentle ribbing, that Luke is with him, and alive.|
Or maybe he was just over-confident.
|Feb-06-12|| ||ajk68: It seems a forced mate is a long way off. Anybody know what the shortest forced mate is?|
|Feb-06-12|| ||hangTheQueen: ajk-
No idea, but just for fun...
I think the best black can do by move 36
is go down rook for queen. So there's 3 moves. White could trade the g-pawn for the rook in at best another 4 moves (1 to move the queen out of the way, 2 to promote, 1 to capture the rook). Neglecting the remaining pawns, I don't know the maximum amount of moves to mate with just a queen and king, but I'll just take a WAG and say 8. So I'd put a lower bound on it at 15 moves.
Totally pointless and probably totally wrong, but there's something interesting about thinking about a game as precise as Chess in an inexact way. If someone could apply some silicon to the problem, I'd be interested to know the actual answer, too.
|Feb-06-12|| ||bischopper: I think that this puzzle it is too easy in one move,|
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