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Hikaru Nakamura vs Vladimir Kramnik
"Olympic Mettle" (game of the day Sep-08-12)
Chess Olympiad (2012)  ·  King's Indian Attack: Symmetrical Defense (A05)  ·  1-0
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Sep-09-12
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  perfidious: In 1983, I made John A Curdo play it out and was subjected to scorn by a well-known New Hampshire player and director (also master level), which I laughed off, because I didn't care what he thought.
Sep-09-12
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  Abdel Irada: <FSR>: I haven't really looked at the ending in some time, since long before there was a Crafty. Nor have I been particularly systematic. My method, such as it is, has simply been to set up "random," difficult positions (pieces uncoordinated, defender's king near center of board) and then try to win them as efficiently as possible.

<perfidious>: You're not wrong to make even a master-strength opponent prove he can win this ending. As GM Epishin's debacle shows, even very strong players sometimes have gaps in their knowledge. And what's the worst that can happen? You can lose after a long struggle rather than resign immediately. More work may be required, but is the result any different?

Sep-09-12
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  FSR: <perfidious> Like you, I would play it out. In the game that decided the 1997 World Junior Championship, Morozevich made Shaked prove that he knew how to win it. Shaked vs Morozevich, 1997 I'm guessing that Epishin's opponent didn't think that the GM would fail to win it - but you never know. (Epishin proved shockingly ignorant, even trying to mate the king in the wrong corner!!) The ending has occurred 136 times in CG.com's database (about 1 out of every 5,000 games). Endgame Explorer: BN vs K Fifteen players (11%) have failed to win it. Endgame Explorer: BN vs K Epishin is not even the only GM to do so: E Inarkiev vs F Peralta, 2007; I Zakharevich vs A Bratchenko, 2001. And here's an IM screwing it up: W Wittmann vs T Meszaros, 2006. And a 2390, a 2385, and a 2333: S Shoker vs J Elbilia, 2011; Ding Yixin vs A Kashlinskaya, 2010; S Djuraev vs T Vandenbussche, 2010.

It would be kind of cool if FIDE enacted the "Botvinnik rule" and stripped any GM who gave up a draw in this ending of his title - at least for a month or so.

Sep-10-12
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  Abdel Irada: <FSR>: I think such a rule would be terribly hard to make fair. The trouble is that it fails to account for variables such as extreme time pressure. As many a chastened world-class player can tell you, when your flag is teetering, anything can and probably will happen.

Of course, one could enact it with provisions to account for such mitigating circumstances, but this would tend to invoke the curse of the arbitrary and all the challenges that must inevitably arise therefrom.

Sep-10-12
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  FSR: <Abdel Irada> I'm not sure I would <really> support such a rule if push came to shove, but it's amusing to contemplate.
Sep-10-12
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  perfidious: <Abdel Irada> It was indeed a long struggle-the game lasted 130 moves, the latter of two hundred-move games Curdo and I played of the 35-40 times we met from 1978-2001.
Sep-12-12  sushijunkie: I'm too lazy (great attribute for a chess "player"!) to read all of the posts: Has anyone ever underpromoted simply and purely for tempo like this before? I'm too lazy to research, too. Thankfully, some of you folks are OCD and can leave no question unanswered.
Sep-12-12  Jacob Arnold: <Thankfully, some of you folks are OCD and can leave no question unanswered.> ROFL
But to answer the question, I'm sure of it. If the tempo you gain from this under promotion gives you a winning position, then why not do it?
Sep-13-12  sushijunkie: <<Jacob Arnold>:But to answer the question, I'm sure of it. If the tempo you gain from this under promotion gives you a winning position, then why not do it?>

Thanks for answering, but I didn't say "winning position"; we've all seen these either in games or puzzles. Naka underpromoted here to a Knight for the sole reason that it gave check where no other piece could, therefore keeping tempo and maintaining the attack. I guess I'm just not used to seeing an underpromotion to a Knight when the King has no shield. Sorry if I wasn't clearer.

C'mon, kibs, surely someone knows...

I have never seen this before. I was just wondering if anyone has.

Sep-13-12
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  FSR: To answer my own question, yes you can play out bishop and knight against lone king against Crafty: http://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t... The site also has an instructional video on how to win that ending, and lets you play out many other endings against Crafty (for example, K+Q v. K+R). Great stuff!

btw, it turns out I have mad skillz with B+N. I mated in 31 from the bad starting position it gives you. (In the worst-case scenario - well, apart from the positions where the defender has an immediate draw - B+N+K v. K can take 33 moves to win. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop... )

Sep-14-12
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  Naniwazu: Amazing.. an underpromotion by Nakamura! Never seen one of those in an actual grandmaster game.
Sep-14-12
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  pawn to QB4: Karpov vs Timman, 1986 was another example we looked at a few months back, but they are very rare.
Sep-14-12  micartouse: This game is awesome, I hope it bubbles up higher on his top 10 games list; right now his number 1 is a game against Krasenkow.

The endgame makes me think of all those games he played against Rybka, tormenting it with minor pieces. That skill actually came in handy here - he was in his element.

Sep-14-12  sushijunkie: <<pawn to QB4>: Karpov vs Timman, 1986 was another example we looked at a few months back, but they are very rare.>

That answers my question. I like Naka's game better, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised this has been done before (a naked or nearly naked King being checked by an underpromoted Knight to preserve tempo).

Sep-16-12
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  Eduardo Bermudez: Kramnik lost his unbeaten record of 64 games in Olympics, Congrats for Naka !!
Sep-16-12  Olavi: Szabo vs Ivkov, 1964
Sep-16-12
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  Eduardo Bermudez: Most longer series of chess games unbeaten at Chess Olympiads

1) Tigran Petrosian: 94
2) Boris Spassky: 86
3) Vasily Ivanchuk: 84
4) Paul Keres: 76
5) Vladimir Kramnik: 64
6) Mikhail Tal: 62
7) Borislav Ivkov: 51
8) Julio Bolbochán: 50
9) Svetosar Gligoric: 46
10) Aleksandar Matanovic: 46

Sep-17-12  Abulherar: 62.c8=N is AWESOME!!!
Sep-17-12  eric the Baptist: what a game! must be one the most complicated, high-level games of the year.
Sep-17-12  RookFile: Great game.
Apr-12-13
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  SuperPatzer77:


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Instead of Kramnik's 78th move - 78...Kh2, 78...Ba7, 79. Ng5+! Kh2, 80. Bg4! Bb6, 81. Ne4 Bd8, 82. Nd4 Bb6, 83. Nf3+ Kh1 - See diagram below:


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Now Black has defense against 84. Nf2# or Ng3# but White finds a winning move - 84. Bh3! (Black has no defense against 85. Bg2#)

SuperPatzer77

May-14-13
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  samsloan: Why did Kramnik sacrifice the exchange with 27. ... Rxc5 ? The game seems dead drawn without that but Kramnik has a high percentage of draws.
Nov-01-13  avidfan:


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From the final position, a possible ending might be: 80...Bc7 or Bd8 81.Nxf3+

(80...f2 81.Nf3+ Kh1 82.Ng3#)
(80...Kh1 81.Nxf3 and now Black loses no matter what he does ---- 81...Bf2 82.Nxf2#

81...Bc7 82.Nf2#)

All White's pieces are on white squares.


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81... Kh1 82.Nf2#
The White bishop is now redundant in the final mating position, having prevented the Black king from escaping through h3..

Dec-31-13  Jambow: Forgot how great this game was, a creative masterpiece.
Jan-08-14
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  MarkFinan: What a game! It's just brilliant! I really didn't see that knight promotion coming, in fact I just lost track and had to stop the game more times than I've ever stopped any other game here. I like Nakamuras chess because he always seems to play for the win, or at least with white anyway.
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