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|Apr-21-16|| ||thegoodanarchist: Wow, this game was wild and woolly from the get go! Would have been fun to watch it live but I had other things that had to be done.|
|Apr-21-16|| ||Pyke: Wow ... what a mess ... To my amateurish eyes this doesn't seem like Carlsen at all. |
You know, play some quiet opening, get a slight advantage and grind it out.
|Apr-21-16|| ||whiteshark: Keep it wild, Nils!|
|Apr-21-16|| ||DeepTrouble: Worth mentioning that Magnus went to the confession booth (shown on Norwegian TV) around move 8 (Bc4), and said he would sacrifice a piece a few moves before he actually did it. |
He basically said that he would sacrifice a piece after black plays g4, in order to set up an attack on black's king.
|Apr-21-16|| ||activechess55: Agreed 2...Nf6 is little dubious. But instead of 6...Qb6, can't black play the structure e6, b6, bb7, then either qc7 or qe7 and 000.|
|Apr-21-16|| ||plang: 2..Nf6 has some similarities to the Alekhines Defense - can't believe it is that bad. Even 6..Qb6 may be OK if he doesn't follow it up with 7..f6.|
|Apr-22-16|| ||activechess55: <plang: 2..Nf6 has some similarities to the Alekhines Defense - can't believe it is that bad. Even 6..Qb6 may be OK if he doesn't follow it up with 7..f6.> Yeah. 7...f6 seems to be main source of black woes and not 2...nf6.|
|Apr-22-16|| ||Pulo y Gata: Magnus must be saying:
"Style? I don't play style, I play what I think is best in a given situation. Style is someone making sense of how I do it."
|Apr-22-16|| ||sicilianhugefun: I thought it was Shirov playing the White side|
|Apr-22-16|| ||Ulhumbrus: If 5...b6 is too dangerous for Black as in the game R P Michell vs Nimzowitsch, 1925 after 6 e6! two alternatives are 5...e6 and 5...Nc6 as played.|
6...Qb6 brings the queen out early. If 6...b6 7 e6 is too dangerous for Black, 6...e6 gets ready for ...b6.
7...f6 and 8...g5 continues to neglect Black's development.
10 exf6 opens lines against Black's king at the coast of the N on f3
11 Qf4! ties Black's queen to the defence of the c7 square as on 11...Qxb2 12 f7+ Kd8 13 Qc7 is mate
16...Rxf7 returns the material but doea not save Black.
This could have been opening preparation on Grandelius's part which had a flaw somewhere.
|Apr-22-16|| ||MissScarlett: <Yesterday Carlsen won against Grandelius after sacrificing a piece. However, it was the Swede who actually played the whole game a piece down: his white-squared bishop remained on c8 for over 38 moves and never had the chance to get active in the game. It's impossible to survive against the world champion like this.>|
ChessBase Newsletter, April 2016 #9
|Apr-22-16|| ||Richard Taylor: In a sense it wasn't Carlsen who was the hero here but Grandelius for playing such an opening and getting not a bad position until about move 14 when he went wrong. |
I don't think "games like this" show that Nf6 is not playable but, yes, unpopular. But it is good there are players like Grandelius who are prepared to try interesting lines and to fight. It was made interesting by his opening choice. Carlsen's attack was fairly predictable given the way the game went. A sacrifice to break up the King position was always on the cards and most good players would have gone for it. In the post analysis comments etc Grandelius actually looked very happy, as the game was quite extraordinary, and he clearly enjoyed the encounter with his "cheeky" opening...Good on him, almost as if he was the winner of their interesting game won by Grandelius-Carlsen....
|Apr-23-16|| ||Moszkowski012273: 14...Bh6?|
|Apr-24-16|| ||whiteshark: Daniel ♔ has analysed this game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLRZ... Enjoy!|
|Apr-24-16|| ||ScorpionBlack: 7.Qc1 is an unusual move, found by Carlsen during game in 9 minutes, it`s not a prep. How did he find it? With engines I see that Qc1-Qf4 is the most active position for the Queen than Qd1-Qf3, but how did Carlsen see it, he actually calculated a lot of lines to figure it out?|
|Apr-24-16|| ||Sokrates: <Richard Taylor: ... A sacrifice to break up the King position was always on the cards and most good players would have gone for it. ...> So, after talking down Carlsen's brilliant conduct of this game, he is, after all, one of "most good players"? |
True, Grandelius presented himself as a great loser, but I interpreted his thrill about the game as a joy of having been a part of an highly entertaining battle with the world champ.
|Apr-25-16|| ||Sokrates: Thanks, <whiteshark>. Love Daniel King's explanatory comments to the games. He is both very sympathetic and a great teacher.|
|Apr-25-16|| ||Richard Taylor: <Sokrates: <Richard Taylor: ... A sacrifice to break up the King position was always on the cards and most good players would have gone for it. ...> So, after talking down Carlsen's brilliant conduct of this game, he is, after all, one of "most good players"? >|
He has some talent but this game wasn't a great game by him it was a kind of joint effort.
I think Grandelius enjoyed the game as he played at the top level a fascinating (unusual) early attack. It may be joy of playing the world champion of course but it had to be a good try, and something unusual.
Gawain Jones played a nice Queeen sac against Carlsen and Carlsen had to work to save his game. Sure he had it under control, but there are always chances for error.
But we are not all licking Carlsen's backside. He is just another human being.
|Jun-04-16|| ||Dhikey: 7.f6?? Rubbish move against a player like carlsen.. He lost the game right there..|
|Oct-03-16|| ||Qindarka: This was deemed to be the best game in the 128th volume of the Chess Informant.|
|Oct-03-16|| ||drleper: <Dhikey: 7.f6?? Rubbish move against a player like carlsen.. He lost the game right there..>|
Right, except Daniel King said this about it <"Grandelius thought for half an hour, and played f6 here. And this is a very principled move really.">
Black wants to try and maintain his pawn advantage in the centre, and 7...f6 also happens to be the first choice for Stockfish 7 and Komodo 6. Probably not a candidate for the rubbish category. Grandelius "cracked" with 14...Bh6?, which allowed the Qe5/Bh4 combo, and black had to give up the exchange.
|Apr-25-19|| ||al wazir: What does black do after 14. Qe5 ?
14...Nxc4 15. Qxh8 Qe6+ 16. Kd1 Qd5+ Kc1 Qh6 17. f4 e5.
|Apr-25-19|| ||TheBish: <al wazir: What does black do after 14. Qe5?>|
14. Qe5? Nxc4 15. Qxh8 Qe6+ (maybe you missed this) 16. Kd1 Qxf7 and Black is winning.
|Apr-25-19|| ||TheBish: <al wazir> I think you added the second line after I posted. The point is Black has two minors for a rook (including 2 bishops), better pawns, and after ...d7-d6, Black's king will be safe on c7 and he will have easier development than White, while White will have to take several moves to get his king to safety, if there is such a thing. Even if White plays Kc1, b2-b3 and Kb2, there will follow (after Black has played Kc7) ...Bg7, when Qxh7 by White will be swiftly met by ...Bxc3+ and loss of his queen. The real question here is, how does White extract his queen?|
|Apr-25-19|| ||cormier: |
click for larger view
Analysis by Houdini 4 d 25 dpa done
1. = / + (-0.34): 12...h5 13.fxe7 Bxe7 14.0-0-0 Kd8 15.Rxg2 h4 16.Bxh4 Bxh4 17.Rg8+ Rxg8 18.Qxh4+ Kc7 19.Bxg8 d6 20.Qf6 Qa6 21.Qxd6+ Kb6 22.Bd5 Bg4 23.f3 Rd8 24.Qg6 Qe2 25.Qe4 Qxe4 26.Bxe4 Bh3 27.Rxd8 Nxd8 28.Kd2 Kc7 29.Ke3 Kd6 30.Kf4 b6 31.Bd3 Nc6 32.Be4 Ne5 33.b3 Nf7 34.Bd3 Ne5 35.Be4 Nf7
2. = (0.00): 12...Kd8 13.0-0-0 e5 14.Qe4 d6 15.Rxg2 Kc7 16.Kb1 Bh3 17.Rgg1 Bd7 18.f7 Be7 19.f4 Rad8 20.fxe5 Nxe5 21.Bxe5 dxe5 22.Qxe5+ Bd6 23.Qh5 Rhf8 24.Rg8 Qc6 25.b3 a6 26.Kb2 Be7 27.Qe5+ Bd6 28.Qh5 Be7
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