TWIC has not 29 but 50 players, why not 50 in CG? With games linked to each player. In the big swisses, many good GM's end up worse than place no. 50.

<lot of work for very little reward.> For me? Yes. <is anybody ever going to benefit from such heroic efforts as arranging 255 players correctly in order?> Well, 50 players in correct order would not harm. Example: looking up a certain player - how did he/she fare? "Oh, no. 40 with 6 points, same as Shirov, and beat Ganguly ... oh, and with a queen sac!" But then the top-50 list should be trustworthy.

In CG, not even the top 5 are trustworthy (applies now to years about 2000-2014). It can still be remedied, but if another 15 years passes ... yes, Now's the Time.

Sure, try here:

http://theweekinchess.com/chessnews...

Pick any event, then with Chrome just cut-and-paste the result table into Emacs and you'll find a tab-separated table layout.

E.g. here's Norway 2017

http://theweekinchess.com/chessnews...

<
5th Norway Chess 2017 Stavanger NOR Mon 5th Jun 2017 - Sat 17th Jun 2017. Category: 22. Ave: (2797) Rk Name Title FED Elo 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Pts TPR 1 Aronian, Levon GM ARM 2793 # = 1 = = = = = 1 1 6 2923 2 Nakamura, Hikaru GM USA 2785 = # = 0 = 1 1 = = = 5 2842 3 Kramnik, Vladimir GM RUS 2808 0 = # = = 1 0 1 1 = 5 2839 4 Caruana, Fabiano GM USA 2808 = 1 = # = = = 0 = = 4.5 2796 5 So, Wesley GM USA 2812 = = = = # = = = = = 4.5 2796 6 Giri, Anish GM NED 2771 = 0 0 = = # 1 1 = = 4.5 2800 7 Vachier-Lagrave, Maxime GM FRA 2796 = 0 1 = = 0 # = = = 4 2754 8 Anand, Viswanathan GM IND 2786 = = 0 1 = 0 = # = = 4 2755 9 Carlsen, Magnus GM NOR 2832 0 = 0 = = = = = # 1 4 2750 10 Karjakin, Sergey GM RUS 2781 0 = = = = = = = 0 # 3.5 2719 >

(Still wondering about verbatim mode on <CG> fwiw...)

On the other hand, if you would prefer all the results in a CBV-file I see Mark has left this note:

<The Week in Chess Magazine Send a £30 donation via Paypal and contact me via email (Email Mark Crowther - mdcrowth@btinternet.com) I'll send you an address for a cbv file of my personal copy of every issue of the games in one database. Over 2 million games.>

Does <CB>'s CBV format allow for leader-board tables to be included?

(I haven't tried to get that fancy)

Firefox has a text-mode download of webpages which I think Chrome lacks. Such a download-mode can be very handy.

<CG> You can safely merge also Chinese Team Championship (2016) with the Chinese Chess League (2016). Under the latter name, but all the kibitzing is in the former.

http://www.sw-lichtenrade.de/LiraH/...
http://chess-results.com/tnr298788....
http://member.schack.se/ShowTournam...
http://member.schack.se/ShowTournam...
http://www.echecs.asso.fr/Resultats... (21-26 October 2017)

I have added your collection to my list of games to be checked. Thanks for bringing it to my attention..

Games dated November or December are likely from the Chicago USCF International, held November 28 - December 9, 1973. There is a report in "Chess Life & Review", March 1974, p. 157. Players included:

1 Norman Weinstein 8.0/11
2 Gudmundur Sigurjonsson 7.5/11
3 Nikola Karaklajic 7.0/11
4 James tarjan 7.0/11
5 Andrew SOltis .5.5/11
6 Kim Commons 5.5/11
7 Zvonko Vransevic 5.5/11
8 Craig Chellstorp 5.0/11
9 Greg DeFotis 5.0/11
10 Lawrence Kaufman 4.0/11
11 Andrew Karklins 3.5/11
12 Duncan Suttles 3.5/11

Earlier this year, I ran into some confusion over whether games had been submitted or not. Therefore, I haven't submitted any new games for several months now, waiting for my queue to clear out. Once that is done, I'll clean up the old tournaments and start sending in new games.

In particular, Boston 1970, Ventura 1971, and Atlantic City 1972 are ready to go.

Z Vranesic vs G Sigurjonsson, 1973

Z Vranesic vs Suttles, 1973

C Chellstorp vs Suttles, 1973

Z Vranesic vs G S DeFotis, 1973

Suttles vs G Sigurjonsson, 1973

Tarjan vs N Weinstein, 1973

N Weinstein vs Suttles, 1973

Suttles vs K Commons, 1973

Z Vranesic vs Tarjan, 1973

Tarjan vs K Commons, 1973

1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nf6 3.d3 Be7 4.Nf3 d6 5.Nc3 c6 6.Be3 Bg4 7.h3 Bh5 8.Qe2 Nbd7 9.g4 Bg6 10.Nh2 Nb6 11.h4 h5 12.g5 Nxc4 13.dxc4 Nd7 14.0-0-0 Qc7 15.f4 f5 16.exf5 Bxf5 17.fxe5 Nxe5 18.Bf4 0-0-0 19.c5 Ng4 20.Rde1 Rde8 21.Nxg4 Bxg5 22.Qh2 Bxf4+ 23.Qxf4 Bxg4 24.cxd6 Qd7 25.Rxe8+ Rxe8 26.Rg1 Re6 27.Ne4 b6 28.b3 Kb7 29.Rg2 Qe8 30.Ng5 Rf6 31.Qd4 Qd7 32.Rd2 Rf1+ 33.Kb2 g6 34.Qb4 Rd1 35.Ne4 Rxd2 36.Nc5+ 1-0

But it contains a link to wiki's page on him.

1) So, let me ask you - what's your opinion of wiki's bio of Tal?

2) What could <CG> add/improve upon that wouldn't just be duplicating wiki's writeup?

You could argue that Alekhine is the more important figure historically, but surely not to that extent.

Yes, this is both a strength and a weakness of <CG> - the allowance for contributions, and the unevenness thereof.

<When there is similar interest in expanding the Tal biography, it will grow. And should.>

OK, I agree of course that Tal's treatment is rather brief, and his importance is on par with Alekhine.

But the fundamental question isn't one of importance, but one of <CG> vs. <Wiki>.

That's an issue I've (and I'm sure others) have raised from long ago. E.g. I think <wiki> offers some notable advantages - it's history, version comparison, and talk. Not to mention the better treatment of HTML features - like verbatim mode, tables, and graphics.

Now, some like <CG> because it's their "home", e.g. they feel like contributors when submitting content, even if <Wiki> has coverage. Others can pursue in-depth treatments differing from <Wiki>, or with different emphasis. And there's also contributions on <CG> which are otherwise entirely lacking on <wiki>.

Then again, some might like to have "one-stop shopping", and pursue the goal of <CG> having complete coverage, just for its own sake. Lately there doesn't seem to be too many adherents of this philosophy, one might note.

Myself, I believe that <CG>'s strength is the games(*) - and would like to facilitate the care and handling therein. That's why I've consistently emphasized the treatment of PGN, much to the chagrin of some fellow biographers.

(*) Another major strength of <CG> is the easy and free-ranging discussions in the comments.

Personally, I'd like to see a standard, somewhat minimal template of basic facts for plays/tournaments. Of course, for those with interest, elaborate of the write-ups should be allowed/encouraged.

OK, I've outlined some of my thoughts on the matter - all the while avoiding the important topic of the ownership of the <CG> content - and the ability to reuse it elsewhere.

<Wiki>, for example, would allow its entire Tal page to be used on <CG> wholesale, provided certain license terms are followed:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip...

As you'll know, the main problem lies with the position after 21.Nxg4 Bxg5?:

click for larger view

White is winning after 22.Qxe8+ Rxe8 23.Rxe8+ Kd7 24.hxg5 (Bxg5 is also fine) Kxe8 25.Bxd6:

click for larger view

The players involved are Edward P Elliott vs John W Clark from Game Collection: US Open 1901, Excelsior = 2nd Western Champ..

Clark might not see that, but Elliott too!?