<Jess> I vaguely recall an impossible "Nf8" move being declared in one of the other games. That is most likely due to either a missing N move disambiguation earlier, or even a missing part of the score.

<MissScarlett> Genius! That is surely the reason for the rejection of this particular game.

I just retested and my <Shredder> "helpfully" changed 24...Dxe5 to 24...Qxe5.

Possibly because Shredder is German, it understands "Dame = Queen" or some such.

There could be no trigger effect, because the other 8 games I submitted with this batch were published. All 11 pgns went into the same <PGN upload Utility> box. Only 3 were rejected. Thanks to you, we know the reason for one rejection.

Movsa Feigin

Mosva Feigin

It took me 10 minutes to figure out that I had made the mistake on the spelling.

I'm so sorry <Annie> and <Steamed colleagues>.

Now I will submit a corrections slip asking the wrong spelling player page to be folded in to the correct spelling player page.

Ok I just now submitted this correction slip from the fake "Mosva Feigin" bio page which I stupidly created in the first place:

<Miss Scarlett> thank you again- the correction you found on the date from the second game is very valuable to my archive:

<Annie> Your admin awesomeness knows no bounds. I, and Latvian chess afficianados (if there are any), will be very happy with your work.

Hi Jessica,

I do not have Shredder III (or any Shredder I or II) so did not know if it copied the whole PGN with labels.

I write my stuff for RHP in Chesspad and when I paste a game I've noted up in Notepad in it does not matter if castles is a number or letters or indeed a mixture (small letter o and a zero) it lets them in.

But RHP for a while did not take O-O just zero-zero. (just tested it - now both sail in.)

<Sally Simpson> Thank you for further clarification.

This Biographer Bistro is a superb place- I have never seen anything like this elsewhere on the internet.

Agree - Chess is the sea where elephants and gnats can drink.

Here they can also swap ideas, scratch each others back, enlighten and help....and argue with each other....mostly argue with each other. ;)

<Good Morning>: Sadly, still cleaning up a mess I made in the first place.

This game here- P List vs M Feigin, 1937

Is a duplicate of this game- P List vs M Feigin, 1937

Except the duplicate game here P List vs M Feigin, 1937 has been published with an incomplete score.

The game with the complete score is here: P List vs M Feigin, 1937

So we should delete the duplicate game with the incomplete score.

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I just submitted this correction slip:

<This is a duplicate game with an incomplete score.

The original game with complete score is here: P List vs M Feigin, 1937

One of your new submissions was rejected for notation. Since I know how curious you folks are, I will let you see this example of what the report for these things looks like: :)

[Event "Tournament"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "1934.11.04"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Apsenieks, Fricis"]
[Black "Feigin, Movsa"]
[Result "0-1"]
[EventDate "1934.??.??"]
[Source "Krusta-mikla. Sahs. Bridzs. Nr.40 (10.11.1934)"]

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.a3 b6 4.Nc3 Bb7 5.Bg5 Be7 6.Bxf6 Bxf6 7.e4 d6 8.Nf3 Nd7 9.Rc1 0-0 10.Bd3 c5 11.0-0 cxd4 12.Nb5 Nc5 13.Nbxd4 Nxe4 14.Qc2 d5 15.Rfd1 Qe7 16.cxd5 exd5 17.Nf5 Qe6 18.Nd4 Qe5 19.f3 Rac8 20.Qb1 Rxc1 21.Qxc1 Bg5 22.Qc2 Nc5 23.g3 Bf6 24.Bf1 Ne6 25.f4 Qe4 26.Qxe4 dxe4 27.Nxe6 fxe6 28.Bc4 Bd5 29.Bxd5 exd5 30.Rd5 Bxb2 31.a4 g6 32.Ne7+ Kf7 33.Nc6 Rc8 34.Nxa7 Rc2 35.Nb5 Ke6 36.Rd6+ Kf5 37.h3 e3 38.Rd1 Ke4 39.Nd6+ Kf3 40.Rf1+ Kxg3 41.f5 Rg2+ 42.Kh1 Rh2+ 43.Kg1 Rg2+ 44.Kh1 e2 45.Ne4+ Kxh3 46.Rf3+ Kh4 47.Re3 Bd4 0-1
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Match (Fricis Apsenieks) with (13351,Fricis Apsenieks)
Match (Movsa Feigin) with (10713,Movsa Feigin)
1956548 OK (?) -> 'd5' == R
'h7' == p
'g3' == P
'b6' == p
'e4' == p
'g1' == K
'h2' == P
'b2' == b
'g8' == k
'f8' == r
'f4' == P
'a7' == p
'g6' == p
'a4' == P

8 - - rk-
7 p - - -p
6 p - -p-
5 - -R- -
4 P- -pP -
3 - - - P
2 b - - P
1 - - - K
abcdefgh

Inserted game 1956548:1934:?:tid=96039:0-1 .

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In these cases, the game gets inserted, and then immediately deleted. Which is why it can only be resubmitted after another day, after the "memory" of the deleted game gets purged, because if you resubmit it immediately, it will be rejected as a duplicate.

Just out of curiosity, I went over it myself, and corrected 2 notation errors:

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.a3 b6 4.Nc3 Bb7 5.Bg5 Be7 6.Bxf6 Bxf6 7.e4 d6 8.Nf3 Nd7 9.Rc1 0-0 10.Bd3 c5 11.0-0 cxd4 12.Nb5 Nc5 13.Nbxd4 Nxe4 14.Qc2 d5 15.Rfd1 Qe7 16.cxd5 exd5 17.Nf5 Qe6 18.<N3d4> Qe5 19.f3 Rac8 20.Qb1 Rxc1 21.Qxc1 Bg5 22.Qc2 Nc5 23.g3 Bf6 24.Bf1 Ne6 25.f4 Qe4 26.Qxe4 dxe4 27.Nxe6 fxe6 28.Bc4 Bd5 29.Bxd5 exd5 30.<Rxd5> Bxb2 31.a4 g6 32.Ne7+ Kf7 33.Nc6 Rc8 34.Nxa7 Rc2 35.Nb5 Ke6 36.Rd6+ Kf5 37.h3 e3 38.Rd1 Ke4 39.Nd6+ Kf3 40.Rf1+ Kxg3 41.f5 Rg2+ 42.Kh1 Rh2+ 43.Kg1 Rg2+ 44.Kh1 e2 45.Ne4+ Kxh3 46.Rf3+ Kh4 47.Re3 Bd4 0-1

<Annie> Thanks so much for being so thorough, not to mention patient.

When I'm working from contemporaneous Latvian journals, there is no such thing as a score that doesn't have mistakes in the original publication. A "clean score" from these journals is a rarity, though I have yet to find one that could not be reconstructed- thanks to my chess engine assistant.

Sometimes it takes me hours, working back and forth between the printed score and my chess engine, in order to reconstruct a score.

Only in the last week did I realize that my Chess engine has been "autocorrecting" certain kinds of faulty notation- so if the journal game score says <2.Qb4>, if that move delivers check, my engine will automatically add the "+" .

In the case of the 30.<Rd5> to <Rxd5> error that you found, and corrected (thank you), my engine automatically corrected <Rd5> to <Rxd5>. This is a problem, because until now I had only been checking score integrity by pasting my reconstructed scores from journals into my engine- then playing through the game on my engine. My engine cannot, and does not (thank god) autocorrect gross errors, such as illegal moves.

However, thanks to your diligence, I believe I understand how to solve this problem in future.

I'm going to put my engine up on the screen side by side with the game score that I have typed up from a journal.

Then I'm going to enter each move one at a time, as opposed to simply copying and pasting the entire score into my engine.

This way, I will be able to see immediately any discrepancy between the printed score and what actually goes in to my engine.

If my engine "autocorrects" a faulty typed score, such as 30.<Rd5> to 30.<Rxd5>, I will see it as it happens.

This will require a great deal more time, but anything is better than submitting flawed scores that get rejected, and that have to be fixed after they are already submitted.

I think it obvious that you are doing plenty enough admin work as it is, without having to clean up these messes.

Yes, I understand that. All of you game submitters do an enormous amount of valuable and very appreciated work, and deserve all the help I can give you.

<However, thanks to your diligence, I believe I understand how to solve this problem in future.>

Why not simply copy your engine's output and replace the text of your original pgn with it, once you are satisfied the game plays out as it is supposed to? That way, a lot of errors will end up being corrected, whether you even notice them or not. And you wouldn't have to feed the engine move by move.

Another option is to consult a less intelligent pgn player, that would be more likely to choke on the same errors. (Such as this one from Kosteniuk's site: http://pgnplayer.com/)

<Annie> What a grand suggestion!

I particularly like the idea of consulting a less intelligent pgn player, particularly since you have kindly provided his home address.

Further, I would be interested in finding less intelligent correspondence chess players, so as to prevent my rating from taking its usual whalloping when I enter tournaments at <kingscrusher's> website.

Heh... I just bookmarked the "little pgn player who couldn't."

<Stonehenge> I am sure you are correct-

Here is some corroboration from the Latvian Wikipedia page for <Indrikis Kalnins>:

<Indriķis Heinrihs Kalniņš (1895. gada 15. februāris, Rīga - 1968. gada 15. septembris Kalamazū) bija Latvijas un ASV šahists.>

<Annie>

<Chessdreamer> has kindly examined all of the <Movsa Feigin> games in our database and discovered several faulty pgns I have submitted, and also one case of a duplicate game: Movsa Feigin (kibitz #38)

I have used the pgn template you kindly provided to find and correct the notation errors. In future I will be using this pgn template to check all of my submissions, since unlike my chess engine, it does not seem to "autocorrect" faulty notation: http://pgnplayer.com/

I created this games collection to show the mistakes <Chessdreamer> found, and to provide the corrections: Game Collection: Chessdreamer List of pgns CORRECTED WITH PGN VIE