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Mar-06-24
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  jnpope: Would any other member of our merry band of Fraktur reading friends care to voice an opinion on Gold's opponent in the game <Z> found in https://books.google.com/books?id=Y... ?

My best guess is either K. Lenckey or K. Leuckey (I zoomed in to 400% in my PDF copy and I cannot see an upper or lower connector to determine if the third letter is "n" or "u".

The "ck" ligature seems obvious when compared with the usage on the previous page (second column, second paragraph, last sentence, used in "Augenblicke"), and the last letter seems to definitely be a "y" (again, prior page, second column, third paragraph from the bottom, used in the word "Babys"; the slanted cap denoting the letter "h" is missing which strongly indicates the name ends in a "y").

I'm leaning towards Lenckey being a variant of Lincke (https://www.houseofnames.com/lincke...).

Mar-06-24  WilhelmThe2nd: <j> Looks like "K. Leuckey" to me (compare the 'u' in the word 'durch' in note 2). Likely a rare variant of 'Luckey' (similar to Meuller/Muller).
Mar-06-24  Chessist: The "Wiener Zeitung" 1889 was published on the occasion of the first founding festival of the "Neuer Wiener Schachklub".

Deutsches Wochenschach 1889, p76:

"Während des Desserts wurde eine Festzeitung verteilt, die sehr gefiel."

"During the dessert a festive newspaper was distributed, which was very popular."

Mar-07-24
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  jnpope: <WilhelmThe2nd>, I'll accept Leuckey. I think I was leaning Lenckey due to the OCRed text. Thanks for looking.

<Chessist>, thanks. So it sounds like a single issue for that occasion and not a title that had an ongoing publication schedule.

Mar-07-24
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  Tabanus: Timman - Hübner Candidates Eighthfinal (1991)
Mar-07-24
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  Tabanus: And Gelfand - Nikolic Candidates Eighthfinal (1991)
Mar-07-24
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  Tabanus: Game Collection: Short - Speelman Candidates Eighthfinal. I was able to date the 10 undated games, but am missing

organizers
arbiters
seconds
playing time

Gert Ligterink noted in "De Volkskrant" that the playing hall was as large as Short's living room and could accommodate up to eight spectators, and that the other interested parties could follow the games in a room as large as his kitchen.

Mar-07-24  stone free or die: Hi <Tab> - just a quick note about the <Candidates Eighthfinal> nomenclature.

I think it might be a little late, but wiki uses <Eighth-final> which is a little easier on the eye (imo).

Other terms (like 8th-final) can be found here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singl...

Snookers uses the notably rational "last sixteen" label.

Mar-07-24  stone free or die: RE: Black letter certainties and uncertainties.

The White player's name, in the game vs Dr. Gold, still doesn't seem 100% certain. It would be nice to find some other mention of any of the candidate names in the contemporaneous literature somewhere - preferably with some chess connection.

Would it be better to just use NN and put a note or comment about the player's name?

After all, if we can't find any other mention then the player is essentially just as opaque to us, and the name can easily be added later if we find more info.

It's somewhat a metaphysical question - but it would allow the game to be added immediately even if we were to continue mulling it over.

.

Mar-07-24  Chessist: Lenckey = Lenkey

https://www.geschichtewiki.wien.gv....

Mar-07-24  BarakSaltz: While researching the Slovak player ing. K. Weber, I found a lengthy list of chess columns in Czechoslovakia published in 1926.

http://www.sachy-vsetin.cz/files/fi...

Mar-07-24  Chessist: p64 following
Mar-08-24
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  Tabanus: Short - Speelman Candidates Eighthfinal (1991), non-TI for now.
Mar-08-24
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  Tabanus: Ivanchuk - Yudasin Candidates Eighthfinal (1991) has its own ID now.
Mar-08-24
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  jnpope: <Chessist>, are you suggesting that Lenckey is correct instead of Leuckey?

What does "p64 following" mean? I need more context.

Mar-08-24
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  jnpope: <stone free or die: Hi <Tab> - just a quick note about the <Candidates Eighthfinal> nomenclature.

I think it might be a little late, but wiki uses <Eighth-final> which is a little easier on the eye (imo).>

I've found the semi-archaic word Octad/Octadic was used in the same context as Quarter. So perhaps Octad-final would be less strange to American (English?) eyes. Eighthfinal still strikes me as odd looking, but I can live with it.

Of perhaps a prefix from this selection:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numer...

Mar-08-24
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  MissScarlett: What's wrong with Round of 16 or Last 16?
Mar-08-24  stone free or die: RE: <Dr. S. Gold>

Urcan/06 seems to have gotten the year wrong - his profile is in

<The (NY) Sun - 1892-12-25 - p10c2>

https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/...

It would be nice to get it on his page on <CG>. And let's credit Olimpiu with pointing out it's existence, and proximity.

Mar-08-24  stone free or die: Cautionary aside -

Looking at Urcan's ref I had an immediate thought to check the previous year's issue - but on a (admittedly rushed) first pass missed it.

Why?

That's a bit interesting - I first checked the 1893 issue using this search page on LOC:

https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/...

If you look at Dec 25 (1893) you'll see it's a Monday - and unlikely to have the weekly chess column. I still checked of course.

Then I thought maybe the day was wrong, and checked the nearest Sunday issue - Dec. 24.

Mouse over it, and you'll see two pop-ups -

<ed-1>
<ed-2>

Those could be either two sections, or more likely, morning and evening editions.

Now go to the 1892 calendar for the paper:

https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/...

In 1892 Dec 25 fell on a Sunday. Mouse over the date and there's no pop-up, suggesting only one issue.

If you click on it you get <ed-1>, without <Dr. Gold>.

Unfortunately, I was misled from 1893, and thought there wasn't an <ed-2> to check, but there is!

It's in the nav bar, where there's a <2> to skip to the next edition/section.

It's not a full scan, which might be why the pop-up didn't show both. Only four pages show up, but <Dr. Gold> is on one of them.

Mar-08-24  stone free or die: So, with all that song-and-dance out of the way -

Here's the dilemma - how to denote the <Source> tag?

The <Source_url> is easy - just point to the right url.

There's two p10's on the <LOC> site - so I guess I have to use a <ed-2> suffix, with is a bit LOC-centric.

But I can't find any indication of morning/evening on the flagmast of the paper.

Anyways, a bit of a nerdy aside, but I thought I'd mention it.

I wonder how often my fellow biographers designate an edition in their <Source> tags?

.

Mar-08-24  stone free or die: flagmast -> masthead
Mar-08-24  stone free or die: RE: <Short--Speelman (1991)>

<The [Candidates] matches were scheduled to last eight games, but three of them were tied at 4-4 and had to be extended in a series of games with shorter time limited.>

<LA Times 1991-02-10 p638> Jack Peters

* * * * *

<The seven Candidates Matches began in late January, each of the contest schedules for eigth games with [4.5] points deciding and provision for two-a-day tiebreakers at 60 moves in 45 minutes, then 20 in 15. Any dead-lock beyond that would have been broken by a drawing of lots

...

... [NIC] described Mr. Ivanchuk, 21, in a recent issue as still "a bit of an enigma, partly due to his erratic behavior."

Mr. Seirawan noted earlier this month in his magazine, <Inside Chess>, the death of the distinguished Dutch arbiter Constant Orbaan at age 72 during the Seirawan--Timman match. Orbaan, often aided by Geurt Gijssen, worked many tournaments in Holland, the Interpolis being one of the most significant. ...>

<The (Baltimore) Sun - 1991-02-24 p7G> Edwin Albaugh

* * * * *

<[Talking about Speelman vs Short then... next para]

In Mr. Short's corner was Lubosh Kavalek of Reston, Va., whose insights as a second may given his man the edge as Mr. Short ousted Boris Gelfand ...

Ray Keene, chess correspondent of the <London Times>, notes that Mr. Short, who collected 75,000 Swiss francs in the quarterfinals, could become Britain's first ever chess millionaire as he moves closer to the world title.

...>

<The (Baltimore) Sun 1991-10-06 p7G> Albaugh

* * * * *

Mar-08-24
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  jnpope: <<stone free or die>: So, with all that song-and-dance out of the way -

Here's the dilemma - how to denote the <Source> tag?>

Just so long as the Edition is part of the source is good enough!

For what it's worth, my current newspaper format is:

<Title, Edition, Date, Section, Page>

Title: The running title if available, otherwise the masthead title.

Edition: If more than one daily edition exists then I give the edition as stated on the front page or publisher's indicia box.

Date: For newspapers I always go with YYYY.MM.DD format (for magazines I go with DD month YYYY which helps identify the type of publication).

Section: Especially if page numbering is section dependent. I try to give the Section as stated on the first page of the section, but sometimes, as in the case of some issues of the <Brooklyn Daily Eagle>, a number of stars are given preceding the page number and in those case I just give a numeric section number based on the star count, i.e. ****8 ends up being "Section 4, p8".

Page: single pages are preceded by a lower-case "p", multiple pages are given by "pp" followed by the numeric range. For non-Arabic page numbers I got with something like "p(xiii)" and in the event of unnumbered pages I'll manually count the pages and give it as something like "(p8)" and in cases where the daily newspaper used a continuous page numbering system I'll give the printed page number followed by the daily unnumbered page count, i.e. "p7824 (p10)", a format I use for some German titles, but for some reason I didn't adopt it for the <Field> (which is rather inconsistent on my part).

Examples:
https://www.chessgames.com/nodejs/g...
https://www.chessgames.com/nodejs/g...
https://www.chessgames.com/nodejs/g...
https://www.chessgames.com/nodejs/g...

Mar-08-24
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  jnpope: <MissScarlett: What's wrong with Round of 16 or Last 16?>

Nothing, but <Tabanus> went with <Eighthfinal> which seems ok. I'm not heavily invested in this particular issue and was just offering up options.

It does strike me as peculiar that English really doesn't have consistent terminology for elimination groups. You would think with all the sporting culture in the US, UK, and OZ, that one of our countries would have nailed this down at some point!

Mar-08-24
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  jnpope: <Then I thought maybe the day was wrong, and checked the nearest Sunday issue - Dec. 24.

Mouse over it, and you'll see two pop-ups -

<ed-1>
<ed-2>

Those could be either two sections, or more likely, morning and evening editions.>

Actually, two sections. You'll notice the Volume number, Issue number, and price, is given on the first page of one section and missing from the second section. Sloppy work on the part of the LOC.

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