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| Nov-22-06 | | RookFile: Well, before we get too excited, let me say: no, black is not in zugzwang. I'm hopeful we can hold the draw. |
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| Nov-22-06 | | Thorsson: Rookfile: (def.) A man whose glass is permanently half-empty. :D |
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| Nov-22-06 | | jepflast: <RandomVisitor: My best line for 28.b4: 28.b4 Bg7 29.h4 Kh8 30.h5 gxh5 31.Qg5 f6 32.Qxh5 Re7 33.Rh3 h6 34.Qg6 The Black Bishop fills any hole we can create in Black's Kingside pawn structure. IMHO, the position is no better than we can get through the 28.h3 variations.> I disagree. Black's pawn structure is destroyed and his bishop is trapped. What more could we want, really? But, oh well, b4 made a good showing at the last minute. Thanks for the effort, guys. If we had originally been one of the analysis forums, things may have been different. At least we can learn from that by considering more moves next time. On to h3. |
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| Nov-22-06 | | Dr.Lecter: I am not a high rated player, and I would like to know; why was h3 voted so much. I don't see much importance in the move. |
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| Nov-22-06 | | twinlark: <jepflast> No one wanted to take b4 on earlier as the tacit assumption was it was pointless. I wondereed aloud about this but couldn't find a taker, hence no b4 forum. We really need to be wary of focusing too much on certain lines, especially something as obvious as b4 which was RV's Rybka's second preferred line after 28.h3, and only marginally second at that. |
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| Nov-22-06 | | RookFile: <Thorsson: Rookfile: (def.) A man whose glass is permanently half-empty.> Things are going nicely. We should have all of our pieces lined up on both rook files within 6 moves. |
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| Nov-22-06 | | benjinathan: All things being equal, b4 (or fxg6) may still be available and good next time. I know the plan is Kh2, but that is the kind of move that will likely always be there. It is not clear to me the order makes that much difference. |
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| Nov-22-06 | | twinlark: <RookFile> If we rename all the files rook files, they could all be on rookfiles without making another move. |
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| Nov-22-06 | | Artar1: I always enjoy grabbing a pawn if it will win the game for me, but in our situation it will either lead to a loss or a draw at best. I know that taking Black's a-pawn looked very tempting, giving us two connected passed pawns on the a- and b-file. In our situation, it would not have led to a certain win, as some of us have shown. Yes, 28. h3 looks passive, but it's not. It reinforces White's position and makes it possible for us to build up our defenses before commencing with kingside activity and finally the pushing of the a- and b-pawns. Here is our current position:
click for larger viewIf Black plays 28...Bg7, a likely move, then we have 29. Kh2 Rc4 30. R1f2 Qb5 
click for larger viewPlease notice that White's position is not only compact by strong; it can resist Black's attempt to infiltrate White's second rank, a concern I have been voicing recently. If White had played 28.b3 or 28.b4, our position would not be as easy to defend from a queenside incursion, making it also more difficult to carry out operations on the kingside, which I think this position requires. |
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Nov-22-06
 | | Chessgames Bookie: Players, make some chessbucks by predicting Arno's next move. The World vs Arno Nickel: 28...? |
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| Nov-22-06 | | edda zeitz: 28.h3 was a waste of time. Qd3 seems much stronger, black must not answer Qb5, so Qb7 would allow 29.fg fg 30.Rf7 |
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Nov-22-06
 | | Tabanus: If 28...Bg7, apart from 29.Kh2, what other moves is there: 29.b4? 29.Qd3? 29.h4? 29.Kh1? |
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| Nov-22-06 | | RonB52734: I really think that all of the ad hominem nonsense here is driving a lot of people off. There was a heady time early on when people actually hoped GMAN would read through this (now 751 page) kibitzing. I now hope he doesn't. To mangle the words of Don Corleone, it's just chess, nothing personal. |
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| Nov-22-06 | | RookFile: Why fxg6, of course. |
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Nov-22-06
| | Tabanus: <RookFile> Why? Because we don't want to miss an opportunity, like we maybe did with 28.b4 |
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| Nov-22-06 | | twinlark: My earlier post didn't make that much sense, so I'll restate: We really need to be wary of focusing too much on some variations at the expense of others such as b4, which was RV's Rybka's second preferred line after 28.h3, and only marginally second at that. |
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| Nov-22-06 | | weisyschwarz: <Chessgames Bookie: Players, make some chessbucks by predicting Arno's next move. The World vs Arno Nickel: 28...?> Hmmm. Are others cutting out on you? Did you swipe their chessbucks too? You want me back? Figure those odds! |
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| Nov-22-06 | | weisyschwarz: <twinlark: My earlier post didn't make that much sense, so I'll restate: We really need to be wary of focusing too much on some variations at the expense of others such as b4, which was RV's Rybka's second preferred line after 28.h3, and only marginally second at that.> It would be great to learn the top two lines in Rybka, Fritz, Shredder, etc. |
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| Nov-22-06 | | RookFile: <Artart1: 28...Bg7, a likely move, then we have 29. Kh2 Rc4 30. R1f2 Qb5 > I just don't see the queen as going to b5. |
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| Nov-22-06 | | jepflast: <twinlark: We really need to be wary of focusing too much on some variations at the expense of others such as b4, which was RV's Rybka's second preferred line after 28.h3, and only marginally second at that.> Agreed. After I took fxg6, you said we should also get people for b4 and h4, and I remember commenting that they looked interesting. But at the time, I only looked at h4!! |
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| Nov-22-06 | | RookFile: <Tabanus: Why? Because we don't want to miss an opportunity, like we maybe did with 28.b4> Well, when I voted for 27. Rc1, it was tied to a clear plan involving a quick b4 and b5. So, it's not like b4 in and of itself is something I'm opposed to. It's just with the two rooks on the king side, I don't see how b4 is going to help us in this situation. |
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| Nov-22-06 | | Artar1: Continuing from my last diagram, we have this position:
click for larger viewThis may not be the ideal or perfect setup for either White or Black, but let's use it for the sake of argument in understanding why 28.h3 is a useful move. White still retains the initiative in this line. Play could proceed as follows: 28. h3 Bg7 29. Kh2 Rc4 30. R1f2 Qb5 31. fxg6 fxg6 32. Rf7 Don't be too concerned as to whether these are the most perfect moves. Please notice that it's now White who has penetrated Black's seventh rank, not Black who has penetrated White's second. 
click for larger viewIf Black tries to win White's d-pawn by immediate force, it could prove disastrous: 32...Qb4 33. Qg5 Bxd4
click for larger view34. Qh6 Be5+ 35. g3 Bxg3+ 36. Kg2 Bxf2 37. Qg7#
Yes, Black's play was terrible and highly flawed. (The stronger players can now stop laughing.) The point I am trying to illustrate is that 28.h3, while appearing to be passive, does help White fortify his position, making it difficult for Black to take immediate advantage of any central or queenside activity in the hopes of winning White's d-pawn or by placing his rooks on White's second rank. |
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| Nov-22-06 | | weisyschwarz: <RookFile>, I think General is too little. I think you are more a King. We should call you KingRookFile! This would necessitate a change in philosophy! :-) |
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| Nov-22-06 | | Thorsson: I'm gonna go out on a limb here and predict that next time GMAN sends us a note he'll congratulate us on picking 28.h3. Let's face it the same people who poo-pooed 18.Qd2 are those doing the same about 28.h3. |
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| Nov-22-06 | | Hanada: I just want to go on the record as saying that imho, h3 was not the best move. |
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