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Apr-20-07
 | | kwgurge: <blegaspi> I did not do very well, 2 wins, 3 losses and 2 draws, but I had fun. I also had a couple of nice conversations with GMs Shulman and Nakamura and was fairly successful at the Roulette Table. All in all - a nice weekend. Thankfully, CG does not have any of the evidence of my poor play to post :-). |
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| Apr-20-07 | | karnak64: <kwurge> -- hey, major props for being there! Good job! |
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| Apr-20-07 | | Hugin: TefthePersian: I don't see any advantage in Hugin's line at move 40. For us, that is. Sequoia:What about 40. Kf1<<<<<<<<< The game between the 2 engines was a blitz game and hiarchs outplaying of rybka was interesting and provided a new idea/line.........But i fear after a closer examination, that the real big mistake was done much later at move 64 h5?? 64 Kh3 or Kh2 looks like a solid improvement .. |
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| Apr-20-07 | | blegaspi: <karnak64:<kwurge> -- hey, major props for being there! Good job!> Yes, I agree. OTB tournament play is something else. |
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| Apr-20-07 | | TefthePersian: <chrisowen>: I've never found a suitable word to describe what is not "intellectual," that doesn't have any negative meaning. I like to read a lot, but I also like to weightlift. I was okay while on acid too, in fact I think it made me a saner person. =) |
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| Apr-20-07 | | TefthePersian: Is anyone looking at the consequences of 28...exd5 29. Bh3 Qe7? |
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| Apr-20-07 | | Artar1: <TefthePersian: Is anyone looking at the consequences of 28...exd5 29. Bh3 Qe7?> It's already been done, and it was a draw. See <Boomie>, <MarkThornton>, <Tabanus>, <Themofro>, <isemeria>, <RandomVisitor>, <izimbra>, <Hugin>,<GoldenKnight> and <Artar1's> work on this line and other affiliated variations at User: MarkThornton. |
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| Apr-20-07 | | TefthePersian: <Artar>: The work there seems to be 30...Qe7, sir, not 29...Qe7. |
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| Apr-20-07 | | guywithgzus: I have been looking at the forum and I am wondering: how many of you are pros? Not that I mind you playing with us amateurs :) Please be aware that as with all internet things, I am not looking for real names, just wondering about my above question. |
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| Apr-20-07 | | TefthePersian: I'm not a professional, not even close. ;) I know almost no opening theory outside of the King's Gambit and the Sicilian. Thank [Tal] for this game, as now I can play the QI. :P |
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| Apr-20-07 | | ChessNe1: <guywithgzus: I have been looking at the forum and I am wondering: how many of you are pros?> I was Greco in a former life, but now lose too easily to my older-than-dust Radio Shack CC. |
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| Apr-20-07 | | TefthePersian: My rating is roughly that of a small pony. |
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| Apr-20-07 | | TefthePersian: 28...exd5 29. Bh3 Qe7: (I apologize if someone else has presented this idea) White has several responses. They are grouped very roughly by strength, strongest first, weakest-to-perhaps-ridiculous-last: <30. e6 b5 31. Kh1 Qh4 32. Bf5 d4 33. f3 (33...Bd5 gives us a slightly better endgame, but only very slightly; 33...Nd2 is an idea, maybe nuts.) ...Kh8 34.  > Better, but probably a draw.
<30. Qc3 Qh4 31. Qg3 (31. Be6+ Kh8 ) ...Qe4 32. Be6+ Kh8 33. Bg4 d4 34. e6 (34...h5 35. Bxh5 Bd5 36. f3 Qe3+ 37. Kg2 Rf5 38. Re1 Qd2+ and we are a little better, , but after 35. e7, it is =) ...Bxe6 35. Bxe6 Qxe6 36. Bxd4 Nxd4 37. Rxd4> Here, due to pawn strucure and placement (less advanced), we have a better position. I doubt even with highly technical play it can be won, and here we could offer a draw in good conscience. I list this as second because our advantages are "permanent" in nature. <30. Bg2 Qe6!! 31. Qxc4!!> Oh yeah, baby. We Teft it up. Sure, this endgame is drawn, but it's better for us, so...we enter it, then we figure out a way to win or draw in a superior position. Not a bad result, eh? If he plays something other than Qxc4, . <30. Re1 Qh4 31. Re3 Nd4 32. Bxd4 Qxd4 33. Re1> The Re1/Re3 plan was feared earlier, but here after Qh4, white simply loses a bishop for knight and we've invaded his position. The idea is questionable, imo. Definitely with an accent on the +. <30. Bf1 Qg5+ 31. Bg2 b5 32. Kh1 (32. h4 Qg4 ; 32. h3 d4 ; 32. e6 Re8 ) ...Rd8 > Challenging our bishop makes sense while the knight is "immobile." In practice it does not work out so well. We are better. <30. Bc3 Rf4 31. Bg2 Qe6 (it is now safe)> I see Bc3 as a "pass" move, and we retain our advantage after it, as we can make progress. We are more active. <30. a4 Qxb4>
a4 is one of those crackhead responses that works out alright "otb," or, "over the bong." Sacrificing the pawn does not allow the e pawn to advance seriously, and seems unfounded. <30. b5 Nc5 31. Rd4 h5> The point of this move is, I think, to lose the game in a positional fashion. or  . <30. f4 Rxf4>
A questionable pawn sacrifice. or .
<30. f3 Rxf3 31. Qg2> I don't see the point of the pawn sacrifice. or perhaps a decisive advantage. Not worth serious investigation in my opinion. <30. Bd7 Qg5+ 31. Kh1 Qh5 (...Qf4 may be better) 32. Rd3 Bxd3 33. Qxd3 Kh8!> The knight can not be taken due to mate.
So ah, I'm voting for 28...exd5 29. Bh3 Qe7 unless someone shows me better. Though I'd rather he doesn't play Bh3. ;) |
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| Apr-20-07 | | TefthePersian: <kwgurge>: How'd you do at the tournament? I think "it" can definitely help certain people understand certain things. It's just not for everyone. Some people don't like relinquishing any control. |
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| Apr-20-07 | | Artar1: <TefthePersian: 28...exd5 29. Bh3 Qe7: (I apologize if someone else has presented this idea.)> No need to apologize. Here is my work on the line I did a couple of days ago: 28... exd5 29. Bh3 Qe7 30. e6 b5 31. Qc3 d4 32. Qg3 Rf6 
click for larger view<Not 32... Qf6 33.Re1 Nd2 (33... Re8 34. f4 a5 35. f5 a4 36. Qf4  ) 34. Bg4 Re8 35. h4 > 33. Qb8+ Qf8 34. Qb7 Rg6+ 35. Kh1 Bxe6
click for larger view36. Bxe6+ Rxe6 37. Rd3 Qxf2 38. Qa8+ Qf8 39. Qxf8+ Kxf8 40. Rxb3 Re1+ 
click for larger view41. Kg2 d3 42. Bxg7+ Kxg7 43. Rxd3 Re2+
click for larger view44. Kg3 Kf6 45. h4 h5 46. Rd6+ Re6 47. Rd5 Re5 1/2-1/2 
click for larger viewAfter reaching this conclusion, I lost interest in this variation. |
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Apr-20-07
| | kwgurge: <Artar1> How are you feeling these days? Are you taking care of yourself? |
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| Apr-20-07 | | Artar1: <TefthePersian>
Also in RV's forum, you will find:
<3. = (-0.10): 29...Qe7 30.e6 b5 31.Qc3 d4 32.Qg3 Qf6 33.Re1 Nd2 34.Bg4 Bd5 35.Rd1 h5 36.Rxd2> This line has been up for a while, and was the basis of my sliding forward analysis, which I just posted. |
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| Apr-21-07 | | Artar1: <kwgurge: How are you feeling these days? Are you taking care of yourself?> Thanks for asking! I am feeling much better!
I have been spending some time away from this game, which I think is healthy, and I am working on my over-the-board game more and more, which has helped my tactical ability. How was it for you to play in a major tournament? I think that was a very brave thing to do! Playing in a high-caliber tournament is a very difficult experience, which must have placed a considerable amount of stress not only on your mind, but your emotions and body as well. Nevertheless, I think you did a good job. Try not to be disappointed in your results. |
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| Apr-21-07 | | TefthePersian: <kwgurge>: Sounds like you'd have me beat. Play any beautiful combinations? 200?! Jesus. I've only gone to outer space a few times. While in space, I felt pure euphoria, but, as I have OCD, I did not enjoy that. What I found amazing is that all experience, painful or otherwise, felt exhiliarating. It taught me that the subjective value we attach to even routine disappointments can be modified through intelligent approaches, and it intensified my love of the absurd and even silly. <Artar!>: How about 35...Be2? He seems forced to sacrifice the exchange or give up his passed pawn, no? it seems. |
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| Apr-21-07 | | Artar1: <TefthePersian: How about 35...Be2? He seems forced to sacrifice the exchange or give up his passed pawn, no? it seems.> All right; I will take a look. Now I will have to do some work. I am getting lazy! : > (
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Apr-21-07
| | kwgurge: <Artar1> Taking 25 years off between major tournaments doesn't help. I find it's not the stress or emotions that make it difficult. It's the lack of stamina in terms of concentration at my age. One ends up playing 6 to 10 hours a day with the second game not ending until 1:00 AM or so. I also seem to end up against someone 1/4 to 1/2 my age in the second games. Not meant as an excuse, just a partial explanation. I am not disappointed because I play for the sport and the love of the game, not the rating points. I had a good time. |
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| Apr-21-07 | | Artar1: <kwgurge: Taking 25 years off between major tournaments doesn't help.> That's a big time gap. The last time I played in a tournament was junior high! When I start playing again, I will enter a very low-level event just to get experience, and nothing more. <I find it's not the stress or emotions that make it difficult. It's the lack of stamina in terms of concentration at my age.> This is a major problem. How does Korchnoi do it at 75? I find that Diet Coke helps, but then it makes me go to the toilet! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor...
<One ends up playing 6 to 10 hours a day with the second game not ending until 1:00 AM or so.> Yikes!
<I also seem to end up against someone 1/4 to 1/2 my age in the second games.> Yeah, I know what you mean, and they also do push ups between moves to relieve the boredom! <Not meant as an excuse, just a partial explanation.> Works for me! |
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| Apr-21-07 | | Artar1: <TefthePersian: How about 35...Be2? He seems forced to sacrifice the exchange or give up his passed pawn, no? it seems.> It only seems that way; the game still ends in a draw: 28...exd5 29.Bh3 Qe7 30.e6 b5 31.Qc3 d4 32.Qg3 Rf6
click for larger view33.Qb8+ Qf8 34.Qb7 Rg6+ 35.Kh1 Be2 36.f4 Bxd1 37.e7 Qxe7 
click for larger view<(37...Qe8 38.Qd5+ Kh8 39.Bd7  )> 
click for larger view38.Qxe7 Bf3+ 39.Bg2 Bxg2+ 40.Kg1 Bh3+ Draw
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| Apr-21-07 | | Boomie: <tefthe mighty Persian: 28...exd5 29. Bh3 Qe7 30. e6 b5. The work there seems to be 30...Qe7, sir, not 29...Qe7.> We were analyzing the transposition 29...b5 30. e6 Qe7. As this was the strongest line you found, I guess it's a wash, as they say. |
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| Apr-21-07 | | Elixir of Life: Hey <Artar1>:
Do you need any help with your analysis, or need analysis on moves (sidelines) that you are too lazy to analyse? Me and my Rybka is waiting for a job! |
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