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Apr-20-07
 | | Tabanus: Umm, if 31.h3 <Qe6>, white has 32.Qxc4 etc., the Teft endgame but with pawn on a3 not a4, and h3 not h2 The only alternative is 31.h3 <Qg5> |
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| Apr-20-07 | | Knightlord: <Hugin> That's looking quite good, thanks. |
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Apr-20-07
 | | kutztown46: Good news. My new PC is up and running. I'll install Fritz 9 tomorrow and see how well it runs. As for the forums, I had listed six ideas yesterday, knowing full well that it would be tough to get six team members to host forums. However, I wanted to be fair to everyone's ideas. The only one who volunteered was <Tabanus>, who later apparently withdrew. <MarkThornton> then suggested three forums, rather than six - one for 29. Bh3, one for 29. a4 and one for 29. (others). Let's see if we can get three to volunteer. <MarkThornton>, which one do you want? <Tabanus>, will you take one of the other forums? |
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| Apr-20-07 | | Sasquatch777: Anyone else with me in offering a draw now? Seems that we are going there anyway. |
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Apr-20-07
| | Tabanus: <kutztown46> As seen from his forum header, <MarkThornton> has taken the 29.Bh3 forum. <GoldenKnight> had a4 a6 earlier, while most of the Teft endgame a4 Qe6 is also in MarkThornton's (I think). I suggest we wait until Bh3 is played. |
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| Apr-20-07 | | Themofro: <Sasquatch777: Anyone else with me in offering a draw now? Seems that we are going there anyway.> I'm not. The game has been equal with a slight edge for us (though still drawn) for some time, but that does not mean that we should call it a draw. Many of the members on here are enjoying this game, it is still interesting, and we should only call it a draw when there are no major members left to keep playing it, that time is not now and as such we don't offer the draw. The fact that it is probably drawn is not important, what is important is that there are many members still enjoying and learning from the whole experience, we should continue that. |
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| Apr-20-07 | | Boomie: <Anyone else with me in offering a draw now?> We should wait until after all the issues are played out. I agree that we should be the ones to offer the draw. Just not now. |
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| Apr-20-07 | | blegaspi: <Boomie: We should wait until after all the issues are played out. I agree that we should be the ones to offer the draw. Just not now.> What do we do if he offers first? |
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| Apr-20-07 | | Thorsson: <blegaspi: What do we do if he offers first?> IMO, if we believe it is a draw, it is classy to accept. But then I believe it is important to act like a gentleman. Others are happy to be oiks and will no doubt disagree. :) |
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| Apr-20-07 | | Thorsson: I don't want to get embroiled in the computer use argument, but a page that just lists engine lines with no comment is rather boring don't you think? |
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| Apr-20-07 | | TefthePersian: Honestly I'd rather offer a draw after entering/forcing the "Teft" endgame. That way, when people look at our game, they see our position is clearly superior, just not enough to win. A moral victory. ;) |
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| Apr-20-07 | | blegaspi: <Thorsson: IMO, if we believe it is a draw, it is classy to accept. But then I believe it is important to act like a gentleman. Others are happy to be oiks and will no doubt disagree. :)
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Oik? I had to look it up. And to accept we enter 1/2-1/2? I know it's too early ... just curious ;-) |
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| Apr-20-07 | | Nasruddin Hodja: 28. ... exd5 is forced, so there's no debate there.
Just a quick word to <skylark> and the other whiners: it is _not_ true that we are letting Rybka play this game for us--several of the moves we voted for, especially the radical 12. ... f5, did not receive the top evaluation from Rybka. This is to be expected since computers don't handle opening positions quite as well as (master-level) intuition. Even now, where computers like Rybka are clearly in their element, it is possible to come up with different and even better lines than the computer does _provided_ one has the time to subject the computer lines to _extensive analysis_. Since I don't have the time to do that, I have mostly shut up since black's 18th move and let the more involved team members have their say. If you do not have time for extensive analysis of the computer lines, then I kindly suggest you do likewise. |
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| Apr-20-07 | | TefthePersian: Burned by Nasruddin, ouch. :/ |
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| Apr-20-07 | | Thorsson: <blegaspi: Oik? I had to look it up. And to accept we enter 1/2-1/2? I know it's too early ... just curious ;-)> I know I should have explained, but I'm a little tight on time at the moment. But, more haste... If GMYS offers a draw I would take it as granted that he had seen the conclusion of lines and didn't want to waste any more time on the game. That is because I assume the best in people. I don't think my trust would be proven wrong in this case. |
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| Apr-20-07 | | Themofro: I will be gone this weekend, and probably won't have internet access, will be leaving tomorrow, so most likely won't be able to post again until Monday after tomorrow. |
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| Apr-20-07 | | Thorsson: Memo to self: "Engage brain before opening mouth".
I should have said right at the start that I don't think that we yet should concede a draw. Mine was a hypothetical answer: "If we believe that it's a draw..." Now that I've confused everybody I have to get back to my games. |
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| Apr-20-07 | | ganstaman: Out of curiosity, does anyone know the evaluations of the positions after each move? Did we start off worse, then equalize, and maybe even then pull ahead? If so, when were the major turning points, or was it more of a gentle slide? |
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| Apr-20-07 | | Sequoia: < Hugin: Hi guys! i think i have good news!Look at this game higly interesting. It's a blitzgame between Rybka 2.3.1 and Hiarcs 11.1 mp: And analyses done by Hiarcs after the gam:28.exd5 exd5 29.Bh3 b5 30.e6 (Is the strongest line for white)30...Qh5 -0.35/13 11 31.Bg2 -0.29/12 8 Re8 -0.03/13 17 32.Re1 -0.16/13 6 d4 -0.03/11 2 33.Qe4 0.00/13 7 Bxe6 (Rxe6 gives white a easy draw) ' click for larger view
34 Bxd4 Bf7!
0.00/13 9 35.Be5 0.13/12 1 Nd2 Black threatens to win material: Nd2xe4 0.00/13 7 36.Qf4 White threatens to win material: Qf4xd2 0.14/13 6 36...Nc4 Black threatens to win material: Nc4xe5. The black knight on an outpost 0.00/13 7 37.Bc3 0.10/12 3 Rxe1+ 0.00/11 7 38.Bxe1 0.11/11 2 h6 0.00/12 7 39.Qb8+ (Bc3). White forks: a7+g8 0.00/12 7 39...Be8 (Kh7) 0.10/12 6 40.f4 0.03/12 7 > What about 40. Kf1 |
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| Apr-20-07 | | ChessNe1: <Sasquatch777: Anyone else with me in offering a draw now? Seems that we are going there anyway.> Earlier, I suggested offering a draw after 30 moves. I now change it to 35 moves, and stand by it. |
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| Apr-20-07 | | GHOST19: It's not time for a draw yet.
Especially since GMYS must have less time to analyze all the lines thoroughly and must rely more on his better understanding of the game.
A draw is only to be called when you are sure of what is the drawn position you will enter. |
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| Apr-20-07 | | TefthePersian: I don't see any advantage in Hugin's line at move 40. For us, that is. |
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Apr-20-07
 | | kwgurge: He is the GM, with white, with the bishop pair, and soon to be with the more advanced passed pawn. It is he who should offer the draw at this point. If he does, I will vote to accept. If he does not, we should continue playing until the position is more clearly devoid of realistic winning chances before we offer the draw. <Thorsson:If GMYS offers a draw I would take it as granted that he had seen the conclusion of lines and didn't want to waste any more time on the game. That is because I assume the best in people. I don't think my trust would be proven wrong in this case.> I recently met GMYS at the Foxwoods tournament. He is a decent and honorable guy and a straight shooter. Your trust would not be proven wrong with him. |
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| Apr-20-07 | | blegaspi: <kwgurge: I recently met GMYS at the Foxwoods tournament. He is a decent and honorable guy and a straight shooter. Your trust would not be proven wrong with him. > How did you do? Did CG post any of your games? |
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Apr-20-07
 | | chrisowen: <teftthepersian> well good luck then, more student than salt of the earth? are you ok now? |
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