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| Apr-22-07 | | renouve: I think that 29...a6 is an error. In endgame, a pawn on his first case has more potential. We have not imediate motivation to play this pawn. |
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| Apr-22-07 | | Igor Karpov: Judah: <blegaspi: <Judah: 29...Qd2> You mean 29...Qd7, right?>
Oops, yeah, that's what I meant. Threatening the unguarded a-pawn and the advance of the d-pawn, and keeping an eye on e6; also preventing for now Bh3. Thanks for pointing out the mistake; have corrected my vote. kwgurge: Doesn't 29...Qd7 drop the bishop to 30.Qxc4? My suggestion to the team is to ask again why black has played 17...f4? |
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| Apr-22-07 | | maxundmoritz: Where can I find the aforementioned Teft endgame? Is it worthwhile to put it into the sticky notes? |
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| Apr-22-07 | | think: Do I have these plans correct?
Qe6 prevents Bh3 and e6.
a6 discourages a5, with the plan of 30. a5 b5.
I'm not sure what Kh8 does.
So which is more scary, Bh3/e6 or a5? |
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| Apr-22-07 | | renouve: 29...Kh8? 30.Bf1! and easy draw. |
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| Apr-22-07 | | isemeria: I vote for 29...Kh8. |
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| Apr-22-07 | | renouve: <isemeria>, Kh8 is worse than a6. 29...Kh8 30.Bf1 Qh5 31.Bxc4 dxc4 and death draw. |
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| Apr-22-07 | | MrSpock: a6 prepares b5 and prevents b4. |
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| Apr-22-07 | | renouve: exemple for 29...a6 :
29...a6 30.b5 axb5 31.axb5 Nc5 32.Ba3 Re8 33.Bxc5 bxc5 34.b6 and white can not lose this. |
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| Apr-22-07 | | renouve: Or,
29...a6 30.b5 axb5 31.axb5 Qe6 32.Qxc4 dxc4 33.Bd5 = |
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| Apr-22-07 | | renouve: After 29...a6 and 30.b5!, I don't see improvement for black. Sorry. |
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| Apr-22-07 | | Hugin: think: Do I have these plans correct?
Qe6 prevents Bh3 and e6.
a6 discourages a5, with the plan of 30. a5 b5.
I'm not sure what Kh8 does.
So which is more scary, Bh3/e6 or a5?<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<29 - Kh8 takes black out of the tef endgame wich is heavely analysed to a draw.... |
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| Apr-22-07 | | Hugin: 29 - a6 now is not promising regardless of 30 comp ply and almost zero eval... |
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| Apr-22-07 | | MarkThornton: 29. a4 is clearly aimed at preventing 29...b5. After 29...Kh8 or 29...Qe6, what are the consequences of <30. Bf1> ? If White is not threatening <30. Bf1>, then 29....a6 seems a bit pointless to me. |
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| Apr-22-07 | | MarkThornton: How are we going to organse the forums?
I have changed my forum to be an analysis home for 29...Kh8. I am currently unsure what the best move is for Black, but 29...Kh8 is definitely a move that we should be analysing. If someone else has already set up a 29...Kh8 forum, please let me know and I will happily take on another move. |
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| Apr-22-07 | | MarkThornton: <think: Do I have these plans correct? Qe6 prevents Bh3 and e6.
a6 discourages a5, with the plan of 30. a5 b5 I'm not sure what Kh8 does. > Kh8 is a waiting move that takes the king off the d5-g8 diagonal. It is based on the belief that White has no good move in this position, e.g. a) 30. Re1 d4
b) 30. b5 Nc5
c) 30. Qc3 Qxf2+ 31. Kh1 Qe2 32. Re1 d4
d) 30. Bh3 Qf3 31. Bg2 Qg4 with lateral pressure against a4 and b4.
e) 30. Bc3 Qe6, followed by 31...Rf4.
Of course, these variations need careful checking, especially line (a). After 29. Re1 d4 Black was winning, but there may be some reson why this line becomes OK for White after the intermezzo 29. a4 Kh8 |
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| Apr-22-07 | | accetturi: Or, we can do:
29...d4 30.Bxd4 Nxd4 31.Rxd4 Bb3 |
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Apr-22-07
 | | GoldenKnight: <Tabanus: Is this his second mistake? I have voted 29...a6> I posted some days ago that this would be his second mistake, if he made this move. But please, everyone, let's not rush to vote. I did some analysis on ...a6 at this point, here and in my forum, which I will review, but I have no idea what's been done in other lines. Could someone please summarize the lines that have been looked at so we can make an intelligent decision? This is another critical juncture, and we cannot afford a misstep if we want to win. Thank you. |
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Apr-22-07
| | GoldenKnight: I think ...Kh8 may have been <Tef>'s idea. <Tef>, can you provide a summary of your results? If needed, I can also look at this. Thanks. |
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| Apr-22-07 | | ARKjoe: i think we should heavily consider d4 |
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| Apr-22-07 | | Knightlord: < accetturi: Or, we can do: 29...d4 30.Bxd4 Nxd4 31.Rxd4 Bb3>
I think white has 32.Qxb3
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| Apr-22-07 | | ChessNe1: Grabbing the h3-c8 diagonal, I will opt for ...Qe6 Mr.Pollster, until something better is made clear. |
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| Apr-22-07 | | Hugin: Here is a analyse done by Rybka 2.3.1 mp 2 minuts for each move. And some additional analysis.
29.a4 Kh8* [29...Qe6 30.h3=] 30.f3 Qe6 31.Qf2 [31.Bf1 Bxf1 32.Rxf1 d4 33 Qd3 Rf4 34 Ba3 h6 (not g5=) 35 Rf2 Kg8 36 Kg2 Kh8 37 Kg1 h5 38 Bb2 h4 39 Rg2 Kg8 40 Rc2 h3! 41 Kf2 Kh8 42 a5 Qg4 43 Qxb3 Qg2+ 44 Ke1 and black wins ] 31...d4  32.Qc2 [32.Bxd4 Rd8 33.Kh1 Qc8 ] 32...d3  33.Rxd3 Bxd3 34.Qxd3
click for larger viewAnalysis by Zap!Chess Zanzibar:
1. ³ (-0.70): 34...h6 35.Bf1 a5 36.Ba3 Rf4
2. ³ (-0.69): 34...a5 35.Ba3 Rc8 36.bxa5 bxa5
This position is promising and it make us keep the initiative.. Shulman made a mistake with 29 a4? 29 Bh3 would probably have given him draw...But it looks like he trusted Rykbas move choice......This position is indeed better for us. |
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| Apr-22-07 | | TefthePersian: I just want to say that when I got to the PC today, and saw the move he played, for some reason (and it's unlike me) I said, "Yeaaaaaah baby." I'm not saying this is inaccuracy #2, but...yeaaaaah baby. <GoldenKnight>: I think initially it was <Themofro>'s idea, with myself and others taking a look. The idea of ...Kh8, for me, was to sidestep any fireworks after Qe6, that was it. It worked out to be a good move, but if I recall correctly, one of the main lines had a pawn sac that gave white full equality. I'm not voting for anything yet. This is perhaps the most critical move of the game, so I'm going to be spending a lot of time trying to work out our best response. I'd like to ask every voter to please keep an open mind this move, we have many playable moves and we should really push to work out the best one. |
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| Apr-22-07 | | sandmanbrig: i like a6 preparing to push b5. |
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