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| Sep-25-13 | | RandomVisitor: I voted d5. |
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Sep-25-13
 | | chrisowen: <cro777> A oomph has anyone extricated depth in bed c5 tangle ne2 at, door eminated dog in dig f4 after e4or chest in h3 and upset the apple carts er bucking wash over dictum bless e3 on demand a f6 able d5 boom air again g8 in dread f6 bad vantage off engine like b5 oh wolf at the door e5 bind again d6 a dam c6team choose a wave d5 as tardy e3 has well in boot b5 a gates f6 look in to f3 aim e4 old effect risky eg gain tithe b2 jitter-bug d4 comes under fire it brand yang leap into the spine d6 common favour in free knights action manage at stave off c4 linch a3 on a cycle mixed approach e7 win accolade in time c5 ogle a3 mind a frayed bishop hoofed e7? |
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| Sep-25-13 | | RandomVisitor: <DcGentle>1.Bxf6 Bxa3 2.Nxd5 is complicated but aggressive... |
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| Sep-25-13 | | DcGentle: <chrisowen>: Maybe a bishop will appear on e7. But whether it is frayed, I doubt it really. ;-) |
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| Sep-25-13 | | Ceri: I just changed my vote to to Nf6.
Cheers,
Ceri |
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| Sep-25-13 | | DcGentle: <RandomVisitor>: Yes exactly! He will like such stuff. A positional queen sacrifice! Don't give him the chance. Going for <3... d5> it will be tactical enough. |
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| Sep-25-13 | | Tal7777777: <3...d5> is the most aggressive. |
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| Sep-25-13 | | ajile: <Domdaniel: <Ajile> Yeah, I agree. I haven't fired up an engine on this game yet -- I think it's quite pointless at this stage. So I'm going by my own experience of playing the Nimzo-Larsen, as Black and White, backed up to some extent by books I've read. But engines at this stage in the game are misleading at best: we need to think strategically. I also agree with <tiggler> ... sacrificing a pawn (for dubious compensation, IMO) at this point is not a good idea.> Um I never said we should sac a pawn. Not sure where this came from. We can play strategically and safely behind a wall of pawns with possibilities of attack after we finish development. Playing a move like 3..d5 invites White to play to liquidate the center early. After this wholesale exchanges can be expected and tactics will prevail over strategy. However we don't have to give White an early target on d5. Sample position in a ..d6, ..Ne7 line:
click for larger viewWhite to play.
IMO this type of position is much more interesting and potentially dangerous for White than more open positions that occur after 3..d5. These positions could also occur after 3..Nf6 but then Black will have to lose moves to unblock our f5 pawn. |
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| Sep-25-13 | | cormier: houdini pro 3 book opening: 3...Nf6 4.c4 Be7 5.Nc3 and searching ... |
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| Sep-25-13 | | cro777: <chrisowen> The idea behind 4...Bd6 is to castle quickly and to move bishop again after driving White’s bishop away. In the main 5.Na3 line, an immediate retreat of the bishop to e7 is possible. In the 3...Nf6 4.Bb5 d6 line, the usual move is 5.Ne2, preparing to castle and keeping open all options. |
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| Sep-25-13 | | cormier: houdini pro 3 book opening: 3...Nf6 4.Bb5 d6 5.Bxc6 bxc6 6.Ne2 Be7 7.00 00 8.d3 and searching |
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| Sep-25-13 | | cormier: houdini pro 3 book opening: 3...d5 4.Bb5 Bd6 5.c4 and searching |
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| Sep-25-13 | | Nickster: It's 3...Nf6 for me. Nothing wrong with 3...d5. It's just that I'm more comfortable with the positions arising with 3...Nf6. But I can live with either move. |
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| Sep-25-13 | | cormier: houdini pro 3 book opening: 3...d5 4.Bb5 Bd6 5.f4 Qh4+ 6.g3 Qe7 7.Nf3 f6 and searching |
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Sep-25-13
 | | Willber G: 3...Bb4! |
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| Sep-25-13 | | DcGentle: This will be a razor sharp decision tonight. Still about 2 hours to wait for the end of the vote. Oh dear. |
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| Sep-25-13 | | stunningmove: <ajile: IMO this type of position is much more interesting and potentially dangerous for White than more open positions that occur after 3..d5.> Agreed. neutralize the Bb2, Close the center, attack on the wing he castles to. |
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| Sep-25-13 | | capafan: The best I have with d5 in the pawn sacrifice line.
1.b3 e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3 d5 4.Bb5 Ne7 5.Bxe5 a6 6.Bxc6+ Nxc6 7.Bg3 Bf5 8.Ne2 Qd7 
click for larger view9.d3 0-0-0 10.Nd2 h4
click for larger viewas <cro777> would say, the most principled continuation. Only my opinion, but Black has sufficient compensation for the pawn with both bishops, a lead in space where White is cramped and will have to think twice about castling on either side. Now to devise a plan from here. |
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| Sep-25-13 | | cormier: houdini pro 3 book opening: 3...Nf6 4.Bb5 Bd6 5.Ne2 00 6.00 Re8 and searching:
click for larger view |
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| Sep-25-13 | | stunningmove: <DcG: This is not easy, in the <3... Nf6> line White has 3 good choices at move 4 already, and it's not clear which one he will prefer. I have analyzed the most often played choice <4. Bb5> with success more closely, but after <4. Nf3> or <4. c4> I can only hint at the type of position we should aim for: KID like positions.> If we choose Nf6 we should begin analysis of these moves in earnest. I agree, KID setup. What is your suggested line for 4.Bb5 |
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| Sep-25-13 | | IECGdoc: After testing the both moves in my special CC-way, I vote for:
3.-Nf6
Regards,
Peter |
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Sep-25-13
 | | OhioChessFan: I think I'd like that position for us <capa> |
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| Sep-25-13 | | WinKing: < DcGentle: This will be a razor sharp decision tonight. Still about 2 hours to wait for the end of the vote. Oh dear. > <DC> RELAX! This is only move 3. What are you going to do when the position really gets hairy & we start throwing stuff at each other? Obviously 3...a6 ain't gettin' in. Soooo I am going to switch to my second choice... Now voting <3...Nf6> <chesstoplay> (or whomever may be handling the vote survey) please change my vote & put me in the 3...Nf6 camp - thank you. Have faith in the voters <DC>. :) |
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| Sep-25-13 | | DcGentle: Here there is a sample Bb5 line:
1. b3 e5 2. Bb2 Nc6 3. e3 Nf6 4. Bb5 Bd6 5. Bxc6 dxc6 6. d3
e4 7. Nd2 Bf5 8. dxe4 Nxe4 9. Nxe4 Bxe4 10. Qg4 Qe7 11. Ne2
f5 12. Qh5+ g6 13. Qh3 Bb4+ 14. c3 Bd6 15. O-O O-O-O 16. c4
Rhe8 17. Bc3 Be5 18. Bxe5 Qxe5 19. Rfe1 Rd2 20. Ng3 Re7 21.
Nf1 Rb2 22. Qh6 Qf6 23. Ng3 b6 24. h4 Kb7
click for larger viewwhite to move doesn't look good. |
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| Sep-25-13 | | Pedro Fernandez: <DcG>, my dear, are you nervous? No way! 3...d5 is fine too. I'm sure you are going to do your best if that move wins. So, be cool! |
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