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| Jun-25-11 | | noctiferus: <Shams>
true, but compare it with Giri's chart. it seems that Giri is getting the same level than Caruana almost 2 years earlier.
I wonder which will be his plateau, if he mantains the same rate increase... |
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| Jun-25-11 | | APatzer: 2 draws in 12 games. |
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| Jun-25-11 | | frogbert: shams, i'd say that carlsen is a few notches above nakamura. not "superior to". head to head is a slightly different story - there carlsen has got a huge edge lately, not at least in terms of psychology. i think that semi-informal blitz match was a great, intuitive move from carlsen... |
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| Jun-25-11 | | cjgone: Don't worry in Bent Larsen's last tournament, he went 0/9. |
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| Jun-25-11 | | notyetagm: <HeMateMe: Tough start for Yifan. She's better than this.> Really, she's not. Every time she plays strong male players, she gets wiped out. Perhaps not this badly. Look at her record at the Chinese Championships. She finishes even if she's lucky. |
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| Jun-25-11 | | frogbert: <I imagine he'd re-word the comment now, but it doesn't matter.> don't really see any need to. should i? :o)
i guess we might put slightly different things into "superior", which may explain the superficial disagreement here. |
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| Jun-25-11 | | Blunderdome: I think her form just fluctuates wildly, regardless of which gender she's facing. She was +1 at the Chinese Championships and she won this open (I don't think the games are on CG): http://www.chess-results.com/tnr298... Going +2 =3 against male GMs. |
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| Jun-26-11 | | Shams: <frogbert><shams, i'd say that carlsen is a few notches above nakamura. not "superior to".> It's hard parsing language with a non-native speaker. For my money there is no distinction between the two, but of course you are welcome to think differently. Actually, if anything, I register "a few notches above" as putting more distance between the respective players than does the phrase "superior to", which would also be appropriate (to my mind) for perhaps a differential of just one or two "notches". Ahh, semantics. As for the blitz marathon as a designed ploy, I have at times given some thought to your theory, and it's an intriguing one, but I'm not buying it just yet. Can you give some other examples of Carlsen's off-the-board gamesmanship? I guess I haven't seen that he goes in for it. I suppose when one has that much game, gamesmanship is a bit superfluous. |
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| Jun-26-11 | | Shams: <frogbert> Also for obvious reasons I probably should have asked you about any other pairing <apart from> Carlsen vs. Nakamura. :) |
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| Jun-26-11 | | Ladolcevita: Yifan also hit a 0-4 losing streak in the recent Danzhou SuperGM Tournament against Chinese male GMs. Clearly,she still has much to learn according to such results.But she can also go back to the female field and feel comparatively comfortable playing with those ladies,which again demonstrates the fact that there is indeed a substantial gap between male and female chess. Would Yifan doubt herself and return to the female chess,or would she continue her road in chess,regardless of gender and age? Sometimes I feel defeats are better than prepared or easy draws for her during such phase after she was crowned Woman World Championship and decides to seek her fortune in open tournaments,for from defeats she could truthfully see her inferiority and learn a lesson,while a draw,if she aims at it as she begins her game against a male GM,won't inspire her at any rate. She could start winning if she really finds out the reason for her current losses,but that means one should become a strong GM in her case.
I believe if Yifan wishes to draw,she could succeed and get some scores like a weak male GM of her rating usually would do,which seems as if better than 0-4,but I believe she aims to win,which is a psychological habit she acquired in female field and the same genius identity as other players in this tournament,and most importantly as a good chess player would do,regardless of gender and age. |
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| Jun-26-11 | | Ladolcevita: PS:
I mean a good player might also be a draw master and become a Drawnik or Drawyue or whatever,but if we say one is a good player,clearly we mean that one has the ability to win some games to distinguish oneself from lower-rating players. |
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| Jun-26-11 | | kurtrichards: Numbers add up to nothing. Just keep on playing chess, Yifan. c") - win, loss or draw... |
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Jun-26-11
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Classical games: Anish Giri beat Magnus Carlsen 1 to 0. Including rapid/exhibition games: Magnus Carlsen tied Anish Giri 1 to 1, with 1 draw. Only rapid/exhibition games: Magnus Carlsen beat Anish Giri 1 to 0, with 1 draw.>This is what a statistician would call an exceedingly small sample size, by any criterion. It should further be noted that Carlsen played a miserable game in his loss-nowhere near the level of a title contender. Everyone has those days. |
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Jun-26-11
 | | HeMateMe: Do the Indian players in this one have to wear little flight caps, with gold wings on their shoulder? Desperate things must be done to satisfy corporate sponsors. Ask Magnus Carlsen (and just be thankful MC doesn't endorse McDonalds). |
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| Jun-26-11 | | randyjohnson: Ladolvevita, good player not playing for win or for draw, and of course not for lose.
Good player playing chess, and playing what the position can give him.
0/4 is not a good sign in any way.
Can draw an inferior-difficult position is an important skill (just see the Grishuk recent games in Kazan)
and lose and not draw is simple bad. |
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| Jun-26-11 | | boowillo: The night the World Blitz Championship finished, late last year, Magnus Carlsen and Hikaru Nakamura played a private 40-game blitz match. That’s well known, but for whatever reason they kept the result secret. The secret is out: in the latest edition of New In Chess Magazine, Dirk Jan ten Geuzendam spills the beans. The winner was… Carlsen, by a fairly hefty 24.5-15.5 score. |
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| Jun-26-11 | | stst: OMG, this "Philly" (or should be "filly"!) is no "Alexandria!"
Just hope that she won't be hurt psychologically in any way -- 'Re-group and Go, Yifan!!" |
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| Jun-26-11 | | stst: < Ladolcevita: >
Totally agreed, whichever gender or age, machine or human, need to go the spirit of Fischer - try to win every game (though sometimes it's strategically not optimal, as in title-defending matches, where sometimes a simple draw will gain you the title! - A lot to be studied for fair but competitive chess - not advocating draws here at all!!) |
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| Jun-26-11 | | Ladolcevita: <perfidious>
I totally agree with you.
By posting that statistic,I only wish to say that a player could win a single game despite a reasonable rating handicap. And in this case,I meant that since both of them are prodigies,they could be paralleled and compared with on some level.
<randyjohnson>
I believe in your definition of a good player,since it is very well said,but you might mistake my words as well.By aiming to win,I referred to the general motivation before the game started rather than the strategic reaction in a particular situation over the board. For instance,if one aims to win,one may pick a fighting line,if not,one may incline to easy ones.Many sublte decisions over the board may finally decide the process of the whole game,so it isnt a factor that should be entirely neglected.
In contrast,your assumption only applies to the phase when the losing situation has already befallen a player.
So it's simply a different matter from what I've said. |
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| Jun-26-11 | | kdogphs: I do not know who said it but:
"In order to be successful you must first know failure". I feel for Hou, but when one strives for a win in a drawn position like the Caruana game it generally favors the opponent (in my experience anyways) |
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| Jun-26-11 | | Ladolcevita: <stst>
Thanks for your support!
Of course there are beautiful draws and ugly wins,but I would praise the spirit of Yifan,since it is no easy for a girl to enter this tournament.
Thus I looked at the sunny side of the 0-4 here~~ |
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| Jun-26-11 | | Ladolcevita: <kdogphs>
Yes,I just opened that game page,and it seems what I've said is likely to be true,at least in that game.--------------
It was a normal game. We played a Spanish opening and this variation was played long ago, I think by Shirov. I equalized and had no problems. Till a certain point it was equal and she had chances to draw. But she got over-ambitious at some point and I saw that I was much better. - GM Fabiano Caruana |
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| Jun-26-11 | | shivasuri4: <boowillo: The night the World Blitz Championship finished, late last year, Magnus Carlsen and Hikaru Nakamura played a private 40-game blitz match. That’s well known, but for whatever reason they kept the result secret. The secret is out: in the latest edition of New In Chess Magazine, Dirk Jan ten Geuzendam spills the beans. The winner was… Carlsen, by a fairly hefty 24.5-15.5 score.> I think the 'secret' was out long ago.And I think the score was 23.5-16.5 in favour of Carlsen. |
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| Jun-26-11 | | bharatiy: As they played more games, results became more reasonable, Caruana is at top but not dominating as he was after three rounds. Sasi who was -2 is +1 now. That just proves that to know the real result one should play more games, another reason for longer matches whenever they are played. |
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| Jun-26-11 | | sevenseaman: Sasi got hit early. Another round or this is the end? |
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