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| Oct-22-12 | | hillsong: @messachess: Lest we forget how good this young can be: Carlsen vs A Giri, 2011
and giri has a good record against the no one according to chessgames database |
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| Oct-22-12 | | BadKnight: carlsen played inexplicably bad in the above game. anand's similar bad play against aronian or kramnik's moronic sacrifices aganist nakamura are hard to logically explain. |
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| Oct-22-12 | | messachess: Now, of course, Yifan will upset Naka. Hey, I'm getting on ChessBookie for this one. |
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| Oct-22-12 | | Blunderdome: Surprised there isn't more kibitzing here. Rooting for Yifan in a major way. |
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| Oct-22-12 | | Blunderdome: <kramnik's moronic sacrifices aganist nakamura> Not sure I would describe it that way. The sac in the 2010 London event was bad, but the Dortmund game was really interesting and I don't know whether it was shown that the sacrifice was wrong, Kramnik may have gone wrong later. Kramnik vs Nakamura, 2011
His other loss to Nakamura, from this year's Olympiad, was not the result of a sac. |
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| Oct-23-12 | | brankat: How did Giri-Tiviakov game end? Thank You. |
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| Oct-23-12 | | whiteshark: <brankat> French Defense (C10), a draw in 30 moves. |
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| Oct-23-12 | | brankat: Thanks Sharky! |
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| Oct-23-12 | | Rook e2: 3,5/5 for me after today.. My opponent offered me a draw when it was about +1,5 in my advantage. Never had a draw-offer such a negative impact on me.. |
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| Oct-23-12 | | Arcturar: You know, Hikaru really is a Top 10 player. He ian't quite at the top of the Elite, but he really does show his class when playing opponents like these. Even though he can be arrogant, it's good to see him recovering from his meltdown. |
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| Oct-23-12 | | ex0duz: what does really top 10 player mean?
if he's rated in the top 10, then he's top 10 player, no? Only time i'll say they are top ten player and they aren't in the top ten is if they are reigning world champion, or their name is Garry Kasparov. |
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| Oct-24-12 | | Gryz: Today (Wednesday) is a resting day for the Crown Group. (The others, including the Open Group are playing). |
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| Oct-24-12 | | Arcturar: Not really, as ratings don't always perfectly reflect the picture. I mean, there is no way Karjakin or Caruana understand chess as deeply as Anand right now, even though the latter's motivation has declined and he has been losing rating points from drawing. Similarly, I think Gelfand has a real case of being a "Top 10 Player", even though he is only rated #14, and Nakamura being up there is a sure thing. One month-long meltdown does not justify removing someone from the "Top 10 Player" list. In any case, Nakamura is gaining back ground quickly and will probably pass Kamsky again by the end of Unive. The only trouble with Top 10 lists is that they can only hold 10 players by definition. So I am not quite sure where to group guys like Mamedyarov who temporarily have a Top 10 rating but are actually weaker than some players below them. |
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| Oct-24-12 | | Arcturar: But I guess Carlsen, Aronian, Kramnik, Anand, Radjabov, Caruana, Grischuk, and Karjakin are all pretty established as Top 10 players and have the rating to show it right now. If Topalov's return to form is permanent rather than lucky, he also deserves a spot. Which leaves one position currently occupied (officially) by Mamedyarov, but which I would sooner award to Nakamura. If Gelfand keeps up his good tournament results, he can very easily slide in and steal a spot. The players who are actually tough to class are the drawish, uninspiring ones like Karjakin or even Radjabov who seem to lack a certain level of ambition. They rarely, in my opinion, actually win anything, so it's strange that they are so high up on the rating list. I guess second places in tournaments do add up, although I much prefer a player like Aronian with more erratic results than Radjabov. |
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| Oct-24-12 | | rapidcitychess: Why do tournament pages always turn into a rating discussion? |
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| Oct-24-12 | | brankat: <rapidcitychess> It's easier to discuss ratings than chess. The latter requires a certain level of knowledge and, preferably, understanding :-) |
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| Oct-24-12 | | Arcturar: Also because there isn't actually very much chess going on at the moment. And discussion for particular games goes better in the game pages. |
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| Oct-24-12 | | fgh: <Rooting for Yifan in a major way.> Why? |
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| Oct-24-12 | | ex0duz: Well, they are top 10 lists because you are using rating to rate them.. but it seems like you are using both. Top 10 to me is top 10 ratings wise, and that's usually means they have had a good run in the supertournaments, and against other top 10's. It's not a top 10 of all time, or even a top 10 of the moment based on "chess understanding". It's results based, so even if you understand more, it doesn't matter because in practice you never get to play those positions vs the player that 'understand less', ie Karjakin or Caruana. They understand what they need to, and they have the results to back it up. Otherwise we can just say that someone who plays every opening rather than just 1 has deeper chess knowledge and is a 'top 10er' based on his chess knowledge etc.. and that wouldn't be fair. Same as Gelfand, or others who have proved themselves in the past. Elo and ratings are for current(or supposed to be). Even Kasparov is off the list now, when we all know that he's probably still top 10 if not top 5. And for me, i'd rather have top 50 than top 10. There's just too many world class players that would be left out if we just chose 10. There's only really 5 in their own class, and then there's the rest. Should be top 5, and then top 20/30, and then the rest. |
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| Oct-24-12 | | Blunderdome: <They rarely, in my opinion, actually win anything> I don't think that whether a game is won, drawn or lost depends on your opinion. |
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| Oct-24-12 | | Blunderdome: <fgh: <Rooting for Yifan in a major way.> Why?>
I started rooting for her when she was 15, I guess for the novelty -- I'm too to remember when Judit was a prodigy, so it seemed like Yifan was the chess world's best chance to see a woman competing with the men at the highest level. After three years of following someone's tournament games, you get kind of attached ;) |
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| Oct-25-12 | | brankat: <After three years of following someone's tournament games, you get kind of attached ;)> Especially when the player is a girl: young and pretty :-) |
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| Oct-25-12 | | Blunderdome: <brankat> Not a question of gender, all the players I root for are young and pretty :) See my profile. |
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| Oct-25-12 | | Kinghunt: This is why Hou needs to stop playing in so many women's events. She won't develop as a player by beating up on 2500 players, and it shows when she faces high-2600 or 2700 players. It doesn't matter that she's the women's world champion. Just like any other young player, she has to try and play as many games as possible against opponents as strong as possible. And that means playing in "men's" (read: open) events. I can understand why results like this one can be discouraging, but it will definitely benefit her in the long run. |
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