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Year | Event/Locale | Opening |
1. Gelfand vs Kramnik |
 | ½-½ | 19 | 2006 | Dortmund Sparkassen | D47 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav |
2. Leko vs Naiditsch |
 | 1-0 | 34 | 2006 | Dortmund Sparkassen | E00 Queen's Pawn Game |
3. Adams vs Aronian |
 | ½-½ | 58 | 2006 | Dortmund Sparkassen | C91 Ruy Lopez, Closed |
4. Jobava vs Svidler |
  | 0-1 | 56 | 2006 | Dortmund Sparkassen | D80 Grunfeld |
5. Aronian vs Kramnik |
 | ½-½ | 43 | 2006 | Dortmund Sparkassen | D20 Queen's Gambit Accepted |
6. Adams vs Jobava |
 | ½-½ | 23 | 2006 | Dortmund Sparkassen | E54 Nimzo-Indian, 4.e3, Gligoric System |
7. Svidler vs Leko |
 | ½-½ | 23 | 2006 | Dortmund Sparkassen | B90 Sicilian, Najdorf |
8. Naiditsch vs Gelfand |
| ½-½ | 27 | 2006 | Dortmund Sparkassen | B96 Sicilian, Najdorf |
9. Jobava vs Aronian |
| ½-½ | 21 | 2006 | Dortmund Sparkassen | A29 English, Four Knights, Kingside Fianchetto |
10. Leko vs Adams |
 | ½-½ | 25 | 2006 | Dortmund Sparkassen | E04 Catalan, Open, 5.Nf3 |
11. Gelfand vs Svidler |
| ½-½ | 29 | 2006 | Dortmund Sparkassen | D85 Grunfeld |
12. Kramnik vs Naiditsch |
 | ½-½ | 44 | 2006 | Dortmund Sparkassen | E04 Catalan, Open, 5.Nf3 |
13. Svidler vs Kramnik |
 | ½-½ | 39 | 2006 | Dortmund Sparkassen | C42 Petrov Defense |
14. Jobava vs Leko |
| ½-½ | 22 | 2006 | Dortmund Sparkassen | E12 Queen's Indian |
15. Aronian vs Naiditsch |
 | ½-½ | 45 | 2006 | Dortmund Sparkassen | E20 Nimzo-Indian |
16. Adams vs Gelfand |
 | 1-0 | 117 | 2006 | Dortmund Sparkassen | B90 Sicilian, Najdorf |
17. Kramnik vs Adams |
 | ½-½ | 41 | 2006 | Dortmund Sparkassen | C42 Petrov Defense |
18. Naiditsch vs Svidler |
 | ½-½ | 59 | 2006 | Dortmund Sparkassen | C92 Ruy Lopez, Closed |
19. Leko vs Aronian |
 | 1-0 | 63 | 2006 | Dortmund Sparkassen | C69 Ruy Lopez, Exchange, Gligoric Variation |
20. Gelfand vs Jobava |
 | 1-0 | 113 | 2006 | Dortmund Sparkassen | B39 Sicilian, Accelerated Fianchetto, Breyer Variation |
21. Leko vs Gelfand |
 | ½-½ | 24 | 2006 | Dortmund Sparkassen | B80 Sicilian, Scheveningen |
22. Aronian vs Svidler |
  | 0-1 | 47 | 2006 | Dortmund Sparkassen | D80 Grunfeld |
23. Jobava vs Kramnik |
  | 0-1 | 15 | 2006 | Dortmund Sparkassen | E12 Queen's Indian |
24. Adams vs Naiditsch |
 | ½-½ | 32 | 2006 | Dortmund Sparkassen | C55 Two Knights Defense |
25. Kramnik vs Leko |
  | 1-0 | 48 | 2006 | Dortmund Sparkassen | E32 Nimzo-Indian, Classical |
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Aug-06-06 | | Bufon: <Against Topalov he will not have a chance> You said it, Kramnik may win a mediocre and boring tournament like this one, but Topalov is no Leko, Topa wont play to draw, but to smash Kramnik. |
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Aug-06-06 | | Aleking: I, for one, am truly looking forward to the K-T match next month! |
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Aug-06-06 | | positionalgenius: <PinkPanther>You can't give Kramnik credit,can you?<Chancho> is correct.Kramnik plays strategic,positional chess.If you hate him you would also hate:Petrosian,Karpov,Rubinstein,
Capablanca...the list goes on. |
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Aug-06-06 | | Dionyseus: <PinkPanther> <Uh...how many Super GM events can you name with 7 rounds? The point is that the tournament was a farce...7 rounds means nothing. In any other tournament Kramnik would only be tied for the halfway lead or whatever.> I agree that 7 rounds is a joke. What's almost as pathetic was that there were 2 rest days... |
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Aug-06-06 | | PinkPanther: I don't hate Kramnik, at least not for his style. But a 7 round tournament...that's halfway point in a lot of them. Corus is almost twice that long, and no prizes were given out at the halfway poing. I'm actually rooting for Kramnik in his upcoming match, as a d4 player, I look up to him, but him winning Dortmund this year means nothing. He plays 5 lackluster games, then gets a gift, then plays one nice game and wins? That's a joke. |
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Aug-06-06
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Aug-06-06 | | positionalgenius: <Chancho>You are sooo right.Kramnik played in a tough tourney that had several players who were in San Luis last year(Leko,Svidler,Adams),Aronian is one of the best players around(he finished next to last!)and Naiditsch and Gelfand are talented.This field is argueably stronger than the Linares field(which includes a joke player-Vallejo-pons)and a player well past his prime-Ivanchuk.I'm not even going to mention Bacrot-he sucks too.So Dortmund was the toughest GM event of the year.Mtel Masters included Ponomariov(who I like)who sucks at any tourney that isn't a KO,Kamsky,I'm not going there either,and Bacrot again,I believe.See my point? |
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Aug-06-06 | | PinkPanther: <chanco>
Earth to retard (you), I don't like Topalov. I already said I was going for Kramnik in the Championship match, I simply don't believe his victory (which well, let's face it, was a tied victory) means much.<positional genius>
Last time I checked Kamsky finished in 2nd place at the Mtel tournament. Where is it exactly that you don't want to go? Yeah..he's so easy that he's beaten Anand twice since he came back from retirement. |
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Aug-06-06
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Aug-06-06 | | positionalgenius: <Pink Panther>Kamsky sucks.He didn't even win the US championship!You are only adding to my ammo condemning the Mtel Masters by saying Kamsky finished second. |
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Aug-06-06 | | samikd: <Kramnik plays strategic,positional chess.If you hate him you would also hate:Petrosian,Karpov,Rubinstein, Capablanca.> Winning percentages :
Capablanca 72.4 %
Karpov 65.3 %
Rubinstein 64.8 %
even Petrosian 64 %
and Kramnik 62.9 %
As for short draws, I dont even think those other guys had half as many 12-15 move draws as Kramnik does.
So you see, 'positional chess' has nothing to do with No of draws (especially 12 move ones). 'positional' players win their games anyway, its just that they win not by attacking by the King or saccing 3 pieces, but by positional methods.
Wanna know the most startling example ? Mikhail Tal, the ultimate tactician, has lower winning percentage the Capablanca, Karpov, and Botvinnik !
Kramnik is criticised NOT for playing positionally, but playing too many short draws. Even though I agree that the criticism is a bit too harsh sometimes. If +2 is enough for winning a tournament, I dont see anything wrong with Kramnik taking advantage of that. At least, he isn't any more of a culprit than the other participants. So I dont see anything wrong with +2..its just that I think people like Topalov are great; they make sure that +2 is NOT sufficient win a tourney. I wish other people had similar attitude to chess. <Now he wins Dortmund going undefeated and currently with an 18 game unbeaten streak. And yet people are still critisizing him because of how he won Dortmund> Actually, this is not incredible. Kramnik always had long unbeated streaks. And he was criticised for how he won Linares (+2). So people aren't saying anything new. Anyway, credit should be given where its due.
Congratulations, Kramnik. Your return to form is GOOD news for chess |
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Aug-07-06 | | ughaibu: If your point is about number of draws, why are you giving percentage of wins? |
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Aug-07-06 | | ahmadov: I have not been able to visit this web site for a while, but I am very happy to see my favourites Svidler and Kramnik winning with black in their latest games. |
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Aug-07-06 | | positionalgenius: <Samikd>Tal isn't the "ultimate tactician";he was good but that title belongs to Garry Kasparov.I agree with the rest of your post.Kramnik has a long history of unbeaten streaks-when he lost to Adams in Corus 2000 it broke a big streak,40+ unbeaten games I think.Clarify if I am wrong please<Samikd> |
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Aug-07-06 | | whatthefat: <positionalgenius: Tal isn't the "ultimate tactician";he was good but that title belongs to Garry Kasparov.>
I for one would disagree. There's no denying Kasparov was a more rounded player (and one of the best tacticians of all time), but purely in terms of tactics, I think Tal remains unbeaten. |
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Aug-07-06 | | positionalgenius: <whatthefat>True Tal had some jaw-droppers |
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Aug-07-06 | | percyblakeney: <Dortmund was the toughest GM event of the year> I'm not so sure about that, Mtel had Topalov, Anand, Svidler and some other very strong players, and Linares was very strong too (apart from Vallejo Pons), and they were both double round robins. Dortmund had Naiditsch and Jobava, not bad players but the way Jobava lost in the last rounds also shows that he isn't a top 50 player yet. Naiditsch did much better than in his previous tournament, where he finished last against players like Carlsen and Predojevic. In any case Kramnik did well, and there's nothing to criticise when it comes to his result. |
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Aug-07-06 | | PinkPanther: <chancho>
I called you a retard because you're not listening to me. I don't like Topalov. With that said, I don't really like Kramnik either, but I don't go looking for excuses to undermine his accomplishments. In this case, it was pretty easy. You shouldn't be able to play 5 very forgettable games, get one gift, then play one decent game and win. Basically Kramnik played one decent game and won the tournament. To me, that would indicate an inadequate test of chess.<positionalgenius>
Your post doesn't even make sense. |
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Aug-07-06
 | | chancho: <PinkPanther> Like I said before, I did not go calling you any names. when I wrote my earlier post, yours explaining how you were for Kramnik in the match, were not there.(I did not see it) So when I sent mine, I then saw that you had posted yours, before I posted mine. I still find your posts of him to be unjust to the man. How the tournament was set up, and how he won it, may be somewhat disappointing to you, but he won. And isn't that what it's all about anyway? Winning? |
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Aug-07-06 | | alicefujimori: I think the point of discussion shouldn't be about whether Kramnik won Dortmund or not. The discussion should rather focus on how the games in this tournament showed Kramnik's current form. I don't know if I'm the only one here, but I don't think Kramnik is still up to his full form in Dortmund. His play aren't as "smooth" as it used to be when he was at the height of his form. His game against Naditsch is a very good example that supports this view of mine. |
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Aug-07-06
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Aug-07-06 | | YouRang: Thanks to all who participated in the Dortmund prediction contest. The final results of all contests are now posted in my forum: User: YouRang |
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Aug-07-06 | | PinkPanther: <chancho>
Sure chess is about winning, the the format of the tournament makes his "win" more or less meaningless. By the way, why isn't anybody talking about Svidler's play? I mean, he did finish =1. Why is everybody handing over the title to Kramnik, just because he got the nod on tiebreaks? |
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Aug-07-06 | | alicefujimori: <chancho><Maybe, but going 18 straight games without losing, is pretty good. IMO>Yes, I'm not saying that he's bad, but in the Naditsch game, Kramnik definitely misjudged the rook sac both in terms of calculation and positional inituition. It's a mistake that's quite rare for Kramnik when he was at the peak of his form. that's what made me believe that Kramnik is still not TOTALLY BACK yet. But there is no reason not to believe that he wouldn't in Sept. |
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Aug-07-06 | | alicefujimori: <PinkPanther><By the way, why isn't anybody talking about Svidler's play? I mean, he did finish =1. Why is everybody handing over the title to Kramnik, just because he got the nod on tiebreaks?> That's because much more people in cg "care" more about Kramnik than Svidler.lol |
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