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| Jan-25-19 | | beenthere240: That's a sort of "give up chess" type of blunder. |
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Jan-25-19
 | | Peligroso Patzer: <SCUBA diver: This is a draw. The black King goes from c8 to d7 and there is nothing that white can do.> This seems correct to me. There is no way for White to capture the b7-pawn. |
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Jan-25-19
 | | OhioChessFan: Whites King can't approach. I think the bPawn saves Black. |
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| Jan-25-19 | | fabelhaft: Most people watching were certain draw was agreed, no one believed Shankland could have resigned, but Giri confirmed he actually had. |
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| Jan-25-19 | | devere: Giri is now outdoing even Magnus in the endgame. Magnus finds wins in drawn endgames, but Giri just hypnotizes his opponent and gets him to resign. Giri might become the next World Champion! |
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| Jan-25-19 | | DansChessLounge: What heart breaker for Sam Shankland. This game is an example of how our minds can see ghost on the chess board. I've been there, we've all been there. Unfortunately it's on the world stage for Sam where we all get to witness his misfortunes. |
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Jan-25-19
 | | keypusher: <OhioChessFan: Seriously, Lasker is spinning in his grave. White failed to play Bc5. Therefore, Black <must> play Ne3 immediately> That's the funny thing...Black doesn't even need the knight. (Also a theme in Fischer vs Taimanov, 1971.) |
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| Jan-25-19 | | DrGridlock: OK ... so black's knight is trapped on the side of the board and lost. But unless White can win black's b7 pawn, there's no way for his b-pawns to advance. White's black square bishop will not be able to take the b7 pawn (it's on a light square). So how does White win this position?
(Or conversely, why the hell did Black resign?) |
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Jan-25-19
| | OhioChessFan: <key> yeah, hard to believe Black doesn't even need the Knight I was desperate to free |
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Jan-25-19
| | OhioChessFan: Lasker is spinning in his grave because some patzer invoked him |
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| Jan-25-19 | | devere: Not only is the position a draw, but it is Black's move and every legal move draws. There is no losing move Black can make on the chessboard. |
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Jan-25-19
 | | An Englishman: Good Morning: The ...Ka8 defense completely escaped me. Looking at 45...Kc6; 46.Kg4,Kd7; 47.Kxh3,Kc8; 48.Bf4,Kd7. This also looks like a fortress. |
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| Jan-25-19 | | Jack Kerouac: New meaning to 'Knight on the rim is dim.'
Really depends who's controlling the Knight.... |
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Jan-25-19
| | Peligroso Patzer: <devere: Not only is the position a draw, but it is Black's move and every legal move draws. There is no losing move Black can make on the chessboard.> It may be worth noting, however, that from the final position, if 45. ... Nf2 46. Bxf2, Black must now play 46. ... Kd6 to prevent White's king from being able to capture the b-pawn. Obviously, Shankland would have seen this variation but for psychological factors that caused him to believe he was losing. |
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| Jan-25-19 | | ChessHigherCat: devere: White is threatening to win the N with Kg4 but it gets tricky after black responds Ke4, because white has to keep the N from escaping on f4. Is the knight lost anyway? |
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| Jan-25-19 | | DrGridlock: <An Englishman: Good Morning: What Shankland probably overlooked--45.b6! creates a state of Zugzwang. Black must be able to play ...Ke4 in response to Kg4, but now he has the unpleasant obligation of moving. The Knight and pawn b7 are frozen, so the King has no choice but to move away from e4.> But e4 is a completely irreleveant square for holding on to black's b7 pawn. Unless White can find a way to win the b7 pawn (especially problematic to attack it with White's dark square bishop), there is no way for White to win. |
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| Jan-25-19 | | DrGridlock: As an amusing variation on the end position, consider this one: New game
click for larger viewMost engines will give a +15 eval for white (due to his material advantage)... but since the b7 pawn can be held, so can the draw! |
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| Jan-25-19 | | Joseph Blackcape: <An Englishman: Good Morning: What Shankland probably overlooked--45.b6! creates a state of Zugzwang. Black must be able to play ...Ke4 in response to Kg4, but now he has the unpleasant obligation of moving. The Knight and pawn b7 are frozen, so the King has no choice but to move away from e4.> I don't think this is Zugzwang. Black can just play 45... Kc4, then maneuver through b5-c6-d7-c8 and remain there (or if the Bishop leaves the h2-b8 diagonal, go to b8 - but after checking a few moves further, I see that you don't even need the b8 square) and White has nothing. The Knight isn't frozen either, you can just leave it there for White to take it or move it anywhere at anytime and it doesn't change anything. |
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| Jan-25-19 | | ChessHigherCat: Okay, I see the knight doesn't matter. I bet Shankland is kicking himself now. |
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| Jan-25-19 | | Zibbit: My video review of this game: https://youtu.be/lfx45Ejv4DU |
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| Jan-25-19 | | Joseph Blackcape: <devere: Not only is the position a draw, but it is Black's move and every legal move draws. There is no losing move Black can make on the chessboard.> Actually I think immediate 45... Kc6 loses to 46. Ke6 and at the cost of one of the b pawns the White King cuts the Black one off the d7 square and manages to win the Black pawn and then the game. Either:
46. ... Kb5
47. Kd6 Kxb4
48. Kc7 1-0
or:
46. ... Ng5+
47. Bxg5 Kxb6
48. Kd6 Kb5
49. Bd2 Kb6
50. Be1 Ka6/b5
51. Kc7 1-0 |
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Jan-25-19
 | | offramp: There is an old Russian joke that western players are Grandmasters in the opening, Masters in the middle game and beginners in the ending. It is no joke! It is really true! |
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| Jan-25-19 | | devere: <Joseph Blackcape:> You are correct. |
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| Jan-25-19 | | parmetd: Result misreported?? It's a drawn position in the final position. |
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| Jan-25-19 | | DrGridlock: <parmetd> See discussion above.
(Usually a good rule of thumb in any thread). |
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