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| Jan-03-09 | | WhiteRook48: what a double rook sacrifice, and on the same square too! |
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| May-30-09 | | WhiteRook48: <Admit it- if you were asked to guess who played Black in this position, wouldn't you guess Marshall?>
I would've guessed Anderssen, but he was dead when this game was played |
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| Jul-27-09 | | WhiteRook48: 42 Kf2?!?! might win |
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| Nov-19-09 | | dotsamoht: How Bird was deprived of his worm... a famous game... |
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Nov-20-10
 | | Sastre: <WhiteRook48: 42 Kf2?!?! might win> 42.Kf2 Rf8 wins for Black. |
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| Nov-20-10 | | gauer: Although some speculated about full point chances for both sides, that Greek ♔ Theseus didn't quite get to escape the superior mobility of those Minotaur ♖s this time. After 44 ♕f6 in A Romero Holmes vs B Kantsler, 2002 1/2, white almost escaped to another 'secret' corner corridor, but is given a Minotaur ♕ - in addition to both ♖s - at the price of a stalemate. |
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| Jul-28-11 | | IRONCASTLEVINAY: Bird continues after R h1 because he wants to show some sportsmanship. |
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Jul-30-15
 | | Phony Benoni: Of course the stalemate resource is the surest way, but if I'm reading my tablebase right 41..,..Ree5 42.Nxh5 Rxh5 is also drawn. Might even be good practice. But nobody -- NOTBODY -- is going to pass up the famous finish. |
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| Jul-30-15 | | CHESSTTCAMPS: In this endgame, black would appear to be in a pickle, even though material is roughly even (N + 2 doubled pawns for a rook). The knight forks the rooks, winning an exchange or more, e.g. 41... R5e5?? 42.Rh7#. Not much better is 42... R8e5 43.Nxh5, with a likely win for white. So black should pursue a stalemate, noting the stalemated position of the king: 41... Rh1+! 42.Kxh1 (Kf2?? Rf8 43.Ra6 Rh6 wins the knight and the game) Re1+ 43.Kh2 Rh1+ 44.Kxh1 stalemate. |
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| Jul-30-15 | | greed and death: 41... Rh1+ 42. Kxh1 Re1+ 43. Kh2 (forced) Rh1+ 44. Kxh1 (forced) its a stalemate. After 41... Rh1+ 42. Kf2 Rf1+, 43. Kxf1 is forced and Black's remaining rook can chase the White king around the board indefinitely. Seems easy for a Thursday puzzle IMO. |
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| Jul-30-15 | | greed and death: Derp. I'm an idiot and missed that 42. Kf1 loses for White. |
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Jul-30-15
 | | FSR: This isn't much of a problem. Black has myriad ways to draw (e.g., 1...Rh1+ 2.Kxh1 Re1+ 3.Kh2 Rh1+; 1...Re1+ followed by sacking both rooks; 1...Ree5 2.Nxh5 Rxh5; 1...Re1+ 2.Kf2 Ree5; 1...Re1+ 2.Kf2 Rf5+; 1...Re1+ 2.Kf2 Rf1+ 3.Kxf1 Rf5+). He also has one way to play for a win (1...Re1+ 2.Kf2 Rhh1!). |
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| Jul-30-15 | | CHESSTTCAMPS: The "likely win" I claimed is probably not. For those who want to try the hypothetical ending against Crafty after the weaker defense 41... R8e5, here it is: http://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t... |
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| Jul-30-15 | | CHESSTTCAMPS: And <FSR>'s points are exactly on target, as usual. |
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| Jul-30-15 | | LucB: A question for the stronger players in the audience: Does the line:
41...Re1+
42. Kf2 Rf5+
43. Kxe1 Rxf6
... draw, or is this a win for white? |
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| Jul-30-15 | | Cheapo by the Dozen: I thought Black could actually win, but in the line below I overlooked 44 Kxe1. It was probably better to take the clear draw, as Bird did, rather than try my line, but it could have been an interesting ending even so. This is the same line <al wazir> suggested. ---
The quick observations start:
Material is close to even, but Black's rooks are forked. The obvious way to beat the fork is 41 ... Re1+, followed by moving the h5 rook to protect the e1 rook. Since one of the two ways of doing that allows immediate mate at h7, the other one must be chosen, and so we have: 41 ... Re1+
42 Kf2 Rhh1
White is now threatened with Rhf1+, which is both mate and a skewer of the knight. The one defense I see to deal with all that is 43 Rh7+ Rxh7 (forced)
44 Nxh7
However,
44 ... Re5 wins the knight. |
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Jul-30-15
| | FSR: <LucB> Draw. It's an easy book draw if White has one pawn (Black can even defend passively, keeping both king and rook on the back rank). The extra pawn doesn't make much difference. You can confirm this with the Nalimov tablebases. http://www.k4it.de/?topic=egtb&lang... There is one small difference: with White having a second pawn, passive defense loses. White sets up a position like this, and wins with Rf8+! 
click for larger view But any sensible non-passive defense holds easily. |
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Jul-30-15
| | FSR: <Cheapo by the Dozen> After 41...Re1+ 42.Kf2 Rhh1, White should be able to hold the draw without much trouble after 43.Ra8+ Kg7 44.Ne8+. I'd rather be Black, but I don't think he has many winning chances. |
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Jul-30-15
| | FSR: <LucB> You can play out the superior side of a similar ending at the link <CHESSTTCAMPS> supplied: http://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t... As you'll discover, you'll get nowhere fast trying to win. Crafty holds the draw easily, and it's not even an ending where the defense is difficult. |
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| Jul-30-15 | | agb2002: Black has a rook for a knight and two pawns.
White threatens 42.Nxe8 and 42.Nxh5, ending up two pawns ahead. Black can exploit the airy position of the white king with 41... Rh1+: A) 42.Kxh1 Re1+ 43.Kh2 Rh1+ 44.Kxh1, stalemate.
B) 42.Kf2 Ree1 (threatens 43... Rhf1#)
B.1) 43.g4 Rhf1+ 44.Kg3 Rxf6 - + [R vs 2P].
B.2) 43.Rh7 Rxh7 44.Kxe1 (44.Nxh7 Rg5 45.Nf6(8) Rf5+ - + [R vs 2P]) 45... Rg7, draw. B.3) 43.Ra8+ Kg7 44.Ne8+ (or even 44.Nh5+) 44... Kf7 and Black has eluded White's threats. |
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| Jul-30-15 | | whiteshark: chimney tactics |
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Jul-30-15
 | | offramp: Two players but only one is English. |
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| Jul-30-15 | | Conrad93: This is straightforward and easy. I don't really care about the other solutions. |
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| Jul-30-15 | | Once: I think I have seen this one before, or one very much like it. Black seems to be strung up like a veritable kipper. White is forking both black rooks, he has a latent mate threat, the black king is stalemated and white has a pair of pawns to run to queen. But the stalemated black king is a clue. Black can give away both rooks for an easy stalemate draw. Incidentally, this may be one of those instances where the game score might not reflect the moves that we actually played over the board. Back in the 1880s it wasn't unusual for players to announce a forced mate or drawing sequence. We have seen it a few times where the announced moves were written down as if they had been played. It is entirely possible that the players shook hands on a draw before the stalemate position, but the score reflects the moves that were announced. |
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Jul-30-15
| | FSR: <agb2002> As others have previously noted, on 41...Rh1+, 42.Kf2??, Black wins with 42...Rf8! 43.Ra6 Rh6. |
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