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| Oct-12-07 | | znprdx: very sweet - Philidor mate threat - after 14.Nh6+ forces g7xh6[N] Ok now on to the cleanup 15. Bxh7+ may as well play Kxh7[B] 16. Rxd8[Q] assuming Bxc4[Q] 17. Rxe8[R] Nxe8[R] 18.Nxe7[B]
Okay let's count the damage: hmm only a pawn for a Knight - that is no good.
Perhaps my reincarnated Bishop:) can play 18. Bxc4[B] a pawn for a Knight and a tempo on hanging Bishop at e7 - okay King moves and to Be4 and the a8 rook is doomed ) AHA so here is a clue - could it actually be Be4 immediately - very efficent as opposed to dreaming in technicolor - although it is a shame - because this approach leaves Black a lot of play....regardless I think I'm in over my head - given that this is Alekhine who pulled off mates in 12 during blindfold simultaneous play. I'm about to throw in the towel... since this is CG puzzle may as well go for the gold: 14. Qxf7+ ( a pawn is a pawn with immediate mate threat) Kxf7[Q]...and now ...nothing....oh well. |
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Oct-12-07
 | | playground player: Nice slow kill by Alekhine. |
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| Oct-12-07 | | znprdx: <Magic Castle: <MostlyAverageJoe> No need to waste your time replying to claims all of us cannot verify as true. People who post how easy or how fast they solve the puzzle are wasting their time and the space for this forum.> DITTO - but it seems hopeless - I've posted this observation a few times and unless CG simply edits them out - we are stuck with it....you would think that at least Chess players would be less clueless ....I'm not holding my breath
OOPS ...ye olde changing position - Black can't play Kf8 ...I feel foolish. But I >saw< e4!!! I just had the wrong piece :) (thanx <Fezzik> for posting the most significant observation) |
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| Oct-12-07 | | patzer2: For today's puzzle solution, Alekhine's clearance demolition of pawn structure tactic 14. Nh6+!! prepares a winning discovered attack with check (15. Bxh7+!). The follow-up in between move (zwischenzug) 16. Qg4+ removes the White Queen from danger and enables the capture of the Black Queen with decisive material advantage, since the coming 18. Qe4  forces White to give up the Knight in order to save the threatened Rook on a8. |
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| Oct-12-07 | | knightstour: hello. if anyone is around, id like to introduce myself as knightstour, as i've just registered. I got the first few moves, but cant take full credit for the puzzle, since I missed 15...Nxh7. ah well better luck next time :) |
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| Oct-12-07 | | QuidProQuo: <Magic Castle: <MostlyAverageJoe> More power to you sir.> You're like a bunch of schoolyard bullies |
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| Oct-12-07 | | einuj: 15.... Kh8 and then Nbd7, will it hold ? Don;t have a chess board in front of me and I don't have a good phtographic memory. Can anybody let me know please... thanks ! |
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| Oct-12-07 | | knightstour: <einuj> If, 15...Kh8 then 16.RxD8 and after 16...RxD8, then 17Qxf7, with material advantage, not to mention a lethal attack for white. |
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| Oct-12-07 | | einuj: I might be missing something here... BUT After 16. Rxd8, 16... Bxc4 (go for the Q) . |
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Oct-12-07
 | | al wazir: <psmith: I looked at your analysis with Fritz 5.32. Your line is winning for White if you deviate at move 21 with Nd6.> Thanks. In a weird way I feel vindicated now, even though I missed both Alekhine's key 18th move and Fritz's 21st. |
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| Oct-12-07 | | InspiredByMorphy: The real key to getting this puzzle correct is not the first four moves, but rather the fifth one. After the first four moves material is even ( with a slight advantage to black for having two minor pieces to whites rook ) , but the tables turn with 18.Qe4 . |
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Oct-12-07
 | | fm avari viraf: After, a cursory glance, the whole puzzle looks little bit tricky. Neither White can't go for 14.Qxa6 nor make a quiet move so it has to be an attacking one. Therefore, 14.Nh6+ that fractures King-side & also clears the diagonal for the White Bishop ...gxh6 is forced 15.Bxh7+ the whole point of the combination ...Nxh7 [ if ...Kxh7 then 16.Qxf7+ or ...Kf8 then 16.Bxh6# & ...Kh8 also loses ] 16.Qg4+ Kh8 17.Rxd8 Rxd8 & the conspicuous 18.Qe4 wins the piece & the game! The former World Champion Alekhine won the game in superb style & grace sans taking the help of his King Rook! |
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Oct-12-07
 | | Jimfromprovidence: I need some help. If after 15…Kh8 I don’t see how white gets a significant material advantage. I found that if 16 Rxd8 this set up a series of exchanges where white gains a rook and two pawns for a bishop and a knight. If white plays 16 Qxf7 then the continuation gets real murky real fast. Black can play 16… Nb8d7. If White plays 17 Bxh6 followed by black’s 17… Bf8, then what happens? Thanks |
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| Oct-12-07 | | zb2cr: <einuj>,
No, you're not missing anything. If Black plays 15. ... Kh8, White does have to get his own Queen out of the way before grabbing off Black's Queen. <YouRang> pointed out one possibility--16. Qxf7. Black then can move his Queen as well. The attempted Black counterattack 16. ... Rf8 doesn't look convincing, as 17.Rxd8 looks strong. Perhaps 16. ... Qc8 is an acceptable move? |
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| Oct-12-07 | | knightstour: <einuj> oops, I guess its 16Qxf7 first! And then perhaps if 16...Nbd7 17Nf5, threatening 18Qg7#, or 17Bxh6, with the same idea. Perhaps. |
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| Oct-12-07 | | MostlyAverageJoe: <Jimfromprovidence: I need some help. If after 15…Kh8 I don’t see how white gets a significant material advantage> Here's a hint from my very first kibitz:
15...Kh8 Qxf7 with threat of <<<Nf5>>> and Bxh6 |
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| Oct-12-07 | | Drudge: What would be wrong with 14. Qh4
-- That's the move I choose. with idea 15. Ng7 or Nxe7 what is flaw with this plan? seems Blacks Knight is stuck on f6 |
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| Oct-12-07 | | TheaN: 5/5
Woah. That I actually got this one till at least move 18 is above my rating. 14.Nh6+! to clear the path. Wonderful move. 14....gxh6 is forced (Kf8 15.Qxf7# and Kh8 15.Nxf7+ Kg8 16.Nh6+ Kh8 17.Qg8+ smothered mate). Now the fireworks begin. Move 15 is obvious, ram in the Bishop for the discovery, Bxh7+. Black's 15th move is not that forced though. 15....Kf8 16.Bxh6#
15....Kxh7 16.Qxf7+ Kh8 17.Rxd8 Bxd8 18.Bxh6
15....Kh8 16.Qxf7! ? (any Queen saving move) 17.Bxh6
15....Kg7 16.Nf5+! Kh8 (Kf8 17.Bxh6# / Kxh7 17.Qxf7+ Kh8 18.Qg7#) 17.Qxf7
15....Nxh7 16.Qg4+ as played.
16....N/Bg4 17.Rxd8 R/Bxd8 18.h4
16....Kf8 17.Bxh6#
16....Kh8 17.Rxd8 Rxd8
Here I went different than in the game, and I played 18.Bxh6!?. It seems to be a more powerful move than 18.Qe4 as that is always playable, for instance after 18....Rg8. I have to admit that I missed the Qe4 idea in the end (I noticed it a few moves earlier), but I'm find it hard to believe that Black isn't in enough shambles already, after move 17. Although it's two pieces and a Rook for a Queen and a Pawn, Black has no coordination at all and should still watch out for his weakened King. I'm giving myself the point for seeing the intermediate 18.Bxh6!? and for the fact that I would've noticed 19.Qe4 OTB XD. |
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| Oct-12-07 | | TheaN: I've seen 18.Bxh6 Bf6. Isn't this still followed by 19.Qe4? I dunno. I concluded the puzzle with 18.Bxh6 with the idea of keeping full pressure on Black, and I guess that still wins. |
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| Oct-12-07 | | TheaN: Ah, 19....Nd7. Hm. Yeah, that's tricky. Oh well, who cares. I would've played 18.Qe4 OTB >_>. |
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Oct-12-07
| | Jimfromprovidence: I think I figured something out. If 15…Kh8 16 Qxf7 Nb8d7 17 Be4 Nxe4 18 Nxe4 seems to lead to a winning game for white. I would appreciate your comments. |
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| Oct-12-07 | | MostlyAverageJoe: <Jimfromprovidence: I think I figured something out. If 15…Kh8 16 Qxf7 Nb8d7 17 Be4 Nxe4 18 Nxe4 seems to lead to a winning game for white.
I would appreciate your comments.>
17...Bf8 and you'll have to work harder for a win than you should need to See my previous message for a hint. |
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| Oct-12-07 | | MostlyAverageJoe: <TheaN: I've seen 18.Bxh6 Bf6. Isn't this still followed by 19.Qe4? > Same hint as for <Jimfromprovidence> |
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| Oct-12-07 | | YouRang: <Drudge: What would be wrong with 14. Qh4 > Nothing! It seems to win too. :-) |
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Oct-12-07
| | Jimfromprovidence: <Jimfromprovidence: I think I figured something out. If 15…Kh8 16 Qxf7 Nb8d7 17 Be4 Nxe4 18 Nxe4 seems to lead to a winning game for white. I would appreciate your comments.> <MostlyAverageJoe>
17...Bf8 and you'll have to work harder for a win than you should need to See my previous message for a hint.
Okay, <MostlyAverageJoe> then.. 17 Nf5 Bf8 18 Nh4 Bg7 19 Bf5 looks like it wins for white. Thanks for the hint. |
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