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Jose Raul Capablanca vs Alexander Alekhine
"Phi Beta Capa" (game of the day Dec-14-2013)
Savorin Cup (1913), St Petersburg RUE, rd 1, Dec-14
Semi-Slav Defense: Quiet Variation (D30)  ·  1-0

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Jose Raul Capablanca vs Alexander Alekhine (1913) Phi Beta Capa


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Aug-02-08
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  maxi: The number of strong players has grown enormously with the years. I am not sure how Capablanca would compare with a present-day player, but one thing is certain: today we have many talented players. Computers serve to disseminate chess knowledge worldwide, and there is a lot of young people out there that are very strong.
Oct-04-08  notyetagm: <Ulhumbrus: Capablanca comments on the move 18 Be4! in his book my chess career. To quote from his remarks " ...It would take many lines to explain this move properly and then I might not be clearly understood..."

Apart from whatever else it may do, the move 18 Be4 appears to get ready to remove the Nd5 which guards the point c7, after which White's Q attacks and then invades the point c7.>

18 ♗d3-e4!


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Yes, preparing to invade down the open c-file in general and the weak c7-square in particular seem to be a major point of 18 ♗d3-e4!.

Several moves later we get 23 ♖c1x♕c7, with the White c7-rook in <SEVENTH HEAVEN> *dominating* the position. Notice in particular the nasty <LATERAL PIN> of the Black f7-pawn to the Black g7-king.

23 ♖c1x♕c7


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Dec-19-08
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  GIAaron: This is like a 2300 beating a 2050.Trivial stuff.
But that's not fair of course.The point is that these guys were in the process of discovring the tecniques which all strong players now take for granted.Each generation has climbed on the shoulders of previous generations,and so now we know a stack more than we did then.Also we have computers,lots of tournamnts,internet chess,and most importantly we have a million players,whereas back then there were maybe 500.Bring back Capa today,give him 5 years to learn modern tecniques and he could well rise to the top again...but maybe not-maybe he could never calculate as well as a Topalov or even a Karpov?
Dec-19-08  ILikeFruits: how dare...
ye insult...
the greatest...
revolutionary...
el comandante capablanca...
viva cuba!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dec-19-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  GIAaron: lol! I could never insult the great Capa.There were long periods of time when he was by far the greatest living player on the planet. I simply make a pretty much self-evident comment about general human progress.We see the same in tennis(most obviously in women's tennis),race running times,science, etc etc,although alas not music at the moment! I am very confident that when computers bcome pretty much perfect,they will be able to show us that objectively better chess gets played with each pasing decade.In fact it would be very strange indeed if this were not to be the case! This obviously in no was detracts from the natural talent that the best players from each generation possessed.
Dec-19-08  ILikeFruits: hello giaaron...
how are you...
Dec-19-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  GIAaron: actually me real name is Keith.Hi Ilike,I'm good thanks-and you?
Dec-19-08  ILikeFruits: im a...
fruit...
Dec-19-08  missing kasparov: [Event "St Petersburg exhibition"]
[Site "St Petersburg"]
[Date "1913.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Capablanca, Jose Raul"]
[Black "Alekhine, Alexander"]
[ECO "D30"]
[Result "1-0"]
DEEP RYBKA 3
1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. e3 Nf6 4. Nf3 e6 5. Nbd2 Nbd7 6. Bd3 Be7 7. O-O O-O 8. Qc2 dxc4 9. Nxc4 c5 10. Nce5 cxd4
11. exd4 Nb6 12. Ng5 g6 13. Ngf3 Kg7 +1.05/12 0s
(13... Nfd5 +0.44/12 8s 14. Bh6 Nb4 15. Qb1 Nxd3 16. Qxd3 Re8 17. Rfc1 Qd5 18. Rc7 Qd8 19. Rc2 Nd5) 14. Bg5 +0.13/11 0s (14. Bd2 +1.05/11 23s Nbd7 15. Rac1 Nxe5 16. dxe5 Nd5 17. Rfd1 Kg8 18. Bh6) 14... Nbd5 +1.04/9 0s (14... Nfd5 +0.13/12 12s 15. Bd2 f6 16. Ng4 Kh8 17. a4 a5 18. Bh6 Nb4 19. Qe2) 15. Rac1 Bd7 +1.07/8 0s (15... Nd7 +0.50/11 11s 16. Qd2 Bxg5 17. Nxg5 Nxe5 18. dxe5 Bd7 19. Rfd1 Qb6 20. h3 Bc6 21. Rc4 Kg8) 16. Qd2 +0.48/9 0s (16. g3 +1.06/9 9s Rc8 17. Qd2 Ng8 18. Bh4 Kh8) 16... Ng8
17. Bxe7 Qxe7 +0.80/10 0s (17... Ngxe7 +0.30/11 10s 18. Nc4 f6 19. Rfe1 Rc8 20. g3 Kg8 21. a3 Qc7) 18. Be4 Bb5 +0.92/13 0s (18... Ngf6 +0.34/13 35s 19. Bb1 Rac8 20. Ng5) 19. Rfe1 Qd6 20. Bxd5 exd5 21. Qa5 a6 +1.38/12 0s (21... Qa6 +0.69/12 8s 22. Qxa6 Bxa6 23. Rc7) 22. Qc7 Qxc7 23. Rxc7 h6 24. Rxb7 Rac8 25. b3 Rc2 +3.16/13 0s (25... Rb8 +1.53/15 7s 26. Rc7 Rbc8 27. Rec1 Ne7 28. g4 Rfe8 29. g5 h5 30. Nh4 a5 31. Kg2 Rxc7 32. Rxc7 a4 33. b4 Kf8) 26. a4 Be2 +3.62/14 0s (26... Be8 +2.89/14 13s 27. Nd3 Nf6 28. Nc5 Kg8 29. Nxa6 Bd7 30. Ne5 Bc8 31. Rc7 Rb2 32. Nc5 Ne4 33. Nxf7 Rxf7 34. Rxc8+ Kg7 35. Ne6+ Kf6 36. Nf4 Kg7) 27. Nh4 h5 +5.34/7 0s (27... Kf6 +3.07/13 11s 28. g4 Ne7 29. Nd7+ Kg7 30. Nxf8) 28. Nhxg6 Re8 29. Rxf7+ Kh6 30. f4 +5.43/6 0s (30. Nf4 +7.12/10 12s) 30... a5 +7.05/7 0s (30... Rxe5 +6.31/10 11s 31. Nxe5) 31. Nh4 Rxe5 32. fxe5 +6.49/7 0s (32. dxe5 +7.94/13 14s) 32... Kg5 +8.29/8 0s (32... Bd3 +7.15/11 12s 33. e6) 33. g3 Kg4 +M4/3 0s (33... Kh6 +9.38/12 10s 34. e6) 34. Rg7+ Kh3 35. Ng2 1-0
Dec-19-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  GIAaron: me too ilikefruits
Feb-28-09  TugasKamagong: I wondered if the difference between the Gregorian and Julian calendars had something to do with this. The other game is dated Dec 14, 1913 but that's in the Gregorian. What date was that in the Julian? Would it have been in 1914?

Well, turns out Russia had fallen behind by only 14 days so that would have been something like Dec 28, 1913 in the Julian...a few days short of 1914.

So you're right after all, <MichAdams>—the year is incorrect.

Sep-01-09  birthtimes: Here's what Capa himself had to say about his 18th move..."This move I considered a very long time. It looks very simple and inoffensive, yet it is the foundation of the whole attack against Black's position.

The fact is that the bishop is doing very little, while the Black knight at d5 is the key to Black's defense, hence the necessity of exchanging the almost useless bishop for a most valuable knight."

After White's 21st move, Capa explains, "Now the square at c7 is controlled by White, and this decides the game. Should Black attempt to protect it by Bc6 he will soon lose a pawn through knight takes bishop, as White will be able to bring up enough forces and win either the c-pawn or the a-pawn. It should be noticed that Black's weakness throughout the middle game is his inability to command the Black squares."

And after 27. Nh4, "The knockout blow. The bishop no longer defends the square at d7, so that the king cannot come out to f6 because of Nd7+, and so there is no way of defending the kingside pawns. Black could have resigned now."

From "My Chess Career" by J.R. Capablanca, 1966, pp. 96-97.

Sep-01-09  birthtimes: Whitehat1963: "People will never agree on whether Capablanca was better than Alekhine. But I ask a different question: Which Capablanca was better, the Capablanca of 1916-1924 or the Capablanca of 1936? And just how good was he already by 1911?"

Here's what Capa himself had to say...

"Looking back to this period from San Sebastian [1911] to Saint Petersburg [1914] it will be found that the play has gradually developed in strength. The endings are as ever before of a high type, the imagination has reached its full scope, and brilliant combinations and conceptions are the rule. The openings are much better played, and in fact there seems to be no special weakness in any of the departments of the game. I think I might be said to have reached the height of my power as a chess master.

Hereafter I may gain a little from experience, and the style may be somewhat changed accordingly, but whatever I may gain in one way I am sure will show a corresponding loss somewhere else. I may become more difficult to beat, but will also not be so apt to overcome strong opposition.

It is only in the openings that I have yet a great deal to learn, and this will soon be done as we shall see presently.

Hereafter, if I may be allowed to continue this dissertation, the interest in my play will centre mainly upon the question as to whether or how far I may be able to perfect certain phases of my game, and in which way this will affect my style of play, which will tend in the future to apparently ever-increasing simplicity, without losing, as some games will show, the former brilliancy when the occasion demands it."

From "My Chess Career" by J.R. Capablanca, 1966, pp. 129-130. Originally published in 1920.

Sep-01-09  AnalyzeThis: <maxi: The later Capablanca is very strong and capable of subtle positional chess, but does he does have not the creativity and tactical sharpness of his youth. He also tries to keep his games simple, which is not a very good thing to do in many games. >

I think all this is true. The later Capa had better openings then the early Capa, though.

Sep-01-09  theagenbiteofinwit: Alekhine's game was immature at this point in time. Marshall was stronger than Alekhine in 1913.
Apr-20-10  mrmietus: Really nice game! I like 3.e3 followed be Nd2 since now! But I think that better was 8. ... a6 not 8. ... dxc4. Openning the game was apparently good only for white. :)
Apr-20-10  sarah wayne: Lasker beat Steinitz in the rematch
in 1897 then didn't defend his title again until 1907.He didn't play Pillsbury or Rubenstein nor did he give Schlecter a rematch,then avoided Capablanca for ten years.Not counting draws he beat Marshall 8-0,Tarrasch 8-3,Janowski 7-1 and later (rematch)8-0,Tarrasch again 5-0.Clearly he avoided anyone he thought could beat him.
Apr-20-10
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  keypusher: <sarah wayne> Pillsbury never challenged Lasker as far as I know. A Rubinstein match was derailed by the war. I think Lasker is guilty of dodging, or at least delaying Capablanca, but not for ten years, again because of the war. I don't know if Schlechter ever tried to get a rematch.

There weren't a lot of people capable of threatening Lasker for most of his life. Capablanca of course.

Apr-20-10  TheFocus: <sarah> Lasker did negotiate with Maroczy and Rubinstein for matches, but Maroczy withdrew and money could not be raised for a match with either. Pillsbury never tried for a match. Lasker accepted all challengers that raised the stake money. Would you have had him play for free?

Tarrasch initially turned down LASKER's challenge for a match and then never attempted to arrange a match until too late.

Anyone else you think he was ducking? Because Lasker played a lot of matches.

Apr-20-10  sarah wayne: <TheFOcus>
My point is he played very weak opponents and slaughtered them.Since you asked he probably was ducking Tchigorin as well.He demanded the equivalent of a million dollars in todays terms just to play him,in stark contrast to Steinitz who took on all comers.
Apr-20-10
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  keypusher: <sarah wayne: <TheFOcus> My point is he played very weak opponents and slaughtered them.Since you asked he probably was ducking Tchigorin as well.He demanded the equivalent of a million dollars in todays terms just to play him,in stark contrast to Steinitz who took on all comers.>

Steinitz' death as a public ward was a great incentive for Lasker to make sure he always got paid. And not even Steinitz accepted all comers, contrary to legend.

Lasker died poor anyway, but hyperinflation and the Nazis will do that to you.

The only really huge payday Lasker managed was the Capablanca match, $20,000.

Chigorin is not a good example of Lasker "ducking" people. Chigorin's record against Lasker was +1-8=4 (omitting exhibition games).

Apr-20-10  sarah wayne: <keypusher>How about Pillsbury's record or Schlechter or Rubinstein.I didn't want to pull Tchigorin out of the trash bin but the question <focus>provoked.At least he finished ahead of Lasker at Hastings 1895.
Apr-20-10  Petrosianic: <Lasker accepted all challengers that raised the stake money.>

Even some that didn't. In the end he had to compromise and play Marshall for half price.

Apr-20-10  sarah wayne: Fischer realized what a coward and a fraud Lasker was by excluding him from his list of 10 best all time players.
Apr-20-10
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  keypusher: sarah wayne: <keypusher>

<How about Pillsbury's record or Schlechter or Rubinstein.I didn't want to pull Tchigorin out of the trash bin but the question <focus>provoked.At least he finished ahead of Lasker at Hastings 1895.>

As did Pillsbury! But they both finished way behind the world champ at St. Petersburg 1895-96, Nuremberg 1896, London 1899, Paris 1900 and Cambridge Springs 1904.

Overall:

Pillsbury +4-5=4

Rubinstein +1-2 and some draws.

Schlechter +2-5 and some draws.

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