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Karl Hamppe vs Philipp Meitner
"The Immortal Draw" (game of the day Jun-07-2015)
Vienna (1872), Vienna AUH
Vienna Game: Hamppe-Meitner Variation (C25)  ·  1/2-1/2

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Jun-26-06
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  LIFE Master AJ: Did Chernev discover this? (It looks like something he found.)
Jun-26-06  McCool: <KholdStare> Qb4#.
Sep-13-06  Chicago Chess Man: Does anyone know what happens after 7. Qf3?
Sep-13-06
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  WannaBe: <Chicago Chess Man: Does anyone know what happens after 7. Qf3?>

Very very bad thing. Shredder gives this line:

7...dxe4+ 8. Qxe4 Bf5 9. Qxf5 Qxf5+ 10. Ke2 Nc6 (-9.97)

Sep-14-06  Chicago Chess Man: See it now. So simple, yet something I would've missed. Thanks
Nov-07-06  ARubinstein: The gentleman who played Black in this brilliant game was the father of the great German scientist Lise Meitner.
Jan-11-07  petemarkou: There is a full analysis of this game in the book by Robert M. Snyder "Unbeatable chess lessons for juniors"
Jan-31-07  beatles fan: Wouldn't 5. Ke2 be a lot stronger?
Jan-31-07  diabloprancer: <beatles fan> Nah, 5. Ke2 drops the e-pawn and then the Knight.
Jan-31-07
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: What is the most recent evaluation by the silicon monsters? Have they come close to "solving" Hamppe-Meitner, as they finally have in the case of Bird-Morphy 1858, and what is the verdict?
Jan-31-07  Margulies: Why not 19.Kxb7??
Jan-31-07  MJW 72: This is unsound. If I remenber right in chess life they said that white had a win
Jan-31-07  Gregor Samsa Mendel: <Margulies> 19.Kxb7 Kd7 20 Qg4+ Kd6 and mate is unavoidable.
Jan-31-07  ganstaman: <Margulies: Why not 19.Kxb7??>

19. Kxb7?? Kd7! 20. Qg4+ Kd6 and ...Rhb8# (eg. 21. Qd7+ Kxd7 22. Nf3 Rhb8#).

Jan-31-07  ganstaman: <MJW 72: This is unsound. If I remenber right in chess life they said that white had a win>

I'm pretty sure that the position is unclear at nearly every step along the way. I haven't read through the kibitzing here in a while, but I don't recall anyone showing that white definitely had a won game.

Many suggest 11. Kb5, if I'm not mistaken, though I believe black still maintains numerous compensating threats.

Oh, I just re-read your post. I read the Chess Life article. They did not say that white had a win. They said it was unclear.

Jan-31-07  AliMatok: what will happen after 18. Ka4?
Jan-31-07  ganstaman: <AliMatok: what will happen after 18. Ka4?>

I think 18...Bc4 and 19...b5# (or some variant relying on control of the same squares).

Jan-31-07  kellmano: <ganstaman: <AliMatok: what will happen after 18. Ka4?> I think 18...Bc4 and 19...b5# (or some variant relying on control of the same squares).>

After ....Bc4 white does not even have a desperation check to delay mate for one move.

Jan-31-07  Atking: What's wrong with the normal 8.d4 ?
Jan-31-07  Atking: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lise_M... <ARubinstein: The gentleman who played Black in this brilliant game was the father of the great German scientist Lise Meitner.> Thanks for the information Rubinstein.
Jan-31-07  Tacticstudent: that's a very nice game.
Jan-31-07  ARTIN: isn't 8...Nc6 better than Na6?
Jan-31-07  Stonewaller2: Some statistical trivia: White moves a total of five pieces; Black sacrifices one each of ♕, ♗, and ♘.
Jan-31-07  kevin86: If the perfet game of chess is a draw,this one-imperfect though it may be-may just show a slight glympse of it.
Jan-31-07
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  al wazir: Nobody seems to have considered 7. Nc5 yet. It's not a very attractive move, I admit, but it does defend the ♙ on e4 and gets the ♘ out of harm's way. If 7...b6, then 8. g3. If 7...Nf6, then 8. Qf3.
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