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Napoleon Bonaparte vs The Turk (Automaton)
"Napoleon Torn Apart" (game of the day Feb-09-2008)
Schoenbrunn Palace Exhibition (1809)
King Pawn Game: Napoleon Attack (C20)  ·  0-1

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Jan-07-08  popski: Hey, do you know that "The Turk" was operated by a human sitting inside!?
Jan-07-08  Riverbeast: The emperor has no clothes!
Feb-02-08  wolfmaster: A Turkish March!
Feb-07-08  D.Observer: The Turk conquered the emperor!
Feb-09-08
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: Napoleon Dynamited!
Feb-09-08  dumbgai: This is the worst quality "game of the day" I've seen in a long time. Judging by Napoleon's play, I think I could have beaten him.
Feb-09-08
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  al wazir: What kind of patzer would play 14...Nxe1+ ? Black wins immediately with 14...Nf4+ 15. gxf4 (15. Kxf3 Qh5+ 16. g4 Qh3#) Qg4+ 16. Kh1 Qh3#.

The Turk was a turkey.

Feb-09-08  stupidiot21: This is the worst quality "game of the day" I've seen in a long time. Judging by Napoleon's play, I think I could have beaten him.

Napoleon was a conqueror not a chess player

Feb-09-08  whiskeyrebel: dumbqai, could you whip him on his turf..the battlefield?
Feb-09-08  cyruslaihy: napoleon "blown" apart would be a better pun
Feb-09-08  waustad: I'm often startled at how bad pre-Morphy chess often was, though Boney was hardly known for his chess play. If you look at his other games he seems to have had a couple of interesting mates in the middle of the board after several sacs to get the king moving around. Nobody seems to even think of getting developed in these games.
Feb-09-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  WannaBe: Worst Pun Ever!
Feb-09-08  sneaky pete: <WannaBe> <... worst pun ever> Thank you, sir. The administrators ripped off my poor attempt from A Bonaparte vs Dubois, 1866.
Feb-09-08  patzer2: After 11...Nxh3+! it appears Napoleon is busted, as the Turk's Knight Fork threats are too strong
Feb-09-08  Riverbeast: "Solazzo is known as the Turk...He's supposedly very good with a knife...but only in matters of business, or some reasonable complaint"
Feb-09-08
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  Phony Benoni: It's a good pun, but I have to agree with <cyruslaithy> that "Napoleon Blown Apart" would have been even better.

<al Wazir> It may have been a prudent move to let the Emperor last 20 moves.

Feb-09-08
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  eternaloptimist: Napoleon apparently didn't have enough sense to understand that moving your ♕ out too early is normally a bad idea (esp. on the second move):P. Four of his first ten moves were w/ the ♕ - a recipe for disaster. In a nutshell, he got spanked.:D
Feb-09-08
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  al wazir: Besides missing a mate in 2 on move 14 in order to grab the white ♕ (see my post above), black missed the best continuation on the next move: 15...Nf4+ 16. gxf4 (16. Kg1 Qxg3+ 17. Kf1/Kh1 Qg2#; 16. Kf1 Qh3+ 17. Kg1 Qg2#) Qxf2+ 17. Kh3 Qxe1, and black mates shortly with the ♗ and ♕.

Supposedly Philidor was the first of the chess masters who sat inside the "automaton" and made the moves. Whoever his successor was when this game was played, he was no Philidor!

Feb-09-08  chessamateur: <al wazir> Perhaps, but I can't get the idea out of my head of the guy (I know the guy played inside the machine) making Napoleon sweat it out in embarrassment. Of course on the other hand, that could also be most unwise for obvious reasons.
Feb-10-08  JeremyBrowne: Although 11..Nxh3+ is an attractive looking move, in my view either 11... Nf3+ or 11...Qg5 is much stronger. Either move wins the queen or leads to mate.
Feb-11-08  mike1: To Al-Wazir

Edgar Allen Poe got it right.He said:
" its a man, Schlumberger".Maybe not as good as Philidor but he won nearly all the games during his "Turk"-time.

Feb-11-08  kevin86: The pun reminds me of an old (and sick) war joke:

What did they call the Frenchman who dove on a granade? Napoleon Blownapart.

What did they call the Russian who dove on a granade? Destroyed Evsky

What did they call the American who dove on a granade? Lucky,because it was a dud.

I warned you it was sick.

Feb-11-08  waustad: An artificial chess machine would do well in Schoenbrunn. The Hapsburgs even had fake Roman ruins built there. It is a lovely place if you like palaces. It's a great view from the Gloriette.
Feb-11-08  Riverbeast: Who was shorter, Napoleon or the guy hiding in the machine?
Feb-11-08  HOTDOG: 5.a3 is a waste of time,better 5.Nc3 or 5.0-0.then 6.h3 was better to avoid Bg4.then 9...Qh4 was perhaps stronger,and for this reason White had to play 10.Qg4! equalizing,instead 10.Qd1?? is a blunder leading to a lost position.Black played now 10...Nd4? but 10...Qg5! was better,leading to a mate in 8:for example 11.g4 Nxh3+ 12.Kh2 Qh4 13.Bxf7+ Kxf7 14.Qe3(other moves lose more quickly)Nf4+ 15.Kg1 Qxg4+ 16.Qg3 Qxg3+ 17.Kh1 Qg2 mate.after 10...Nd4? White could have played 11.Qd1 limiting the damage(11...Qg5! 12.Qg4 Qxg4 13.hxg4 Nxc2),but 11.Bb3?? is a blunder again;however 11...Qg5! or 11.Nf3+! win more quickly.
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