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| Sep-03-13 | | Ratt Boy: <leka: Todays super grand masters elo rating 2725 can not see 6 moves ahead> Really? On what basis can you possibly say that? |
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Sep-03-13
 | | takchess: <nasmichael> well said |
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| Sep-03-13 | | TheTamale: Steinitz after move 19: "Oh no you did-int..." |
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| Sep-03-13 | | GrandMaesterPycelle: It would be much better not to use the same pun for two games between the same players in the same match. It's rather confusing, and lazy. |
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| Sep-03-13 | | kevin86: Getting Chiggy with it... |
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| Sep-03-13 | | builttospill: In Lasker's line:
21. ... Qe8 (instead of Qc8) 22. Re1 Kf6 23. g4 h5 24. Bxe7+ Qxe7. Critter gives white +3.5 after 16ply. I like the Knight sacrifice because it's in the spirit of the romantic era. The top line given by Critter is actually 21. ...Qc7, with 22. Re1 Kf6 23. Bxe7+ Kxe7 24. Qf3 Rf8 followed by a5! White is up around +1. Little did these guys know 120 years later we'd be looking at their game with computers. |
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| Sep-03-13 | | World of Tomorrow: Mikhail Chigorin, father of the Russian chess school... or something like that. |
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Sep-03-13
 | | Bishoprick: In the St.Petersburg Chess Club, there is a series of photographs of the world champions. According to these photos, Chigorin is the first World Champion, and he might have been, had it not been for Steinitz. |
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| Sep-03-13 | | pericles of athens: Wonderful game! |
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| Feb-16-15 | | Smite: Fritz 13 can't agree with the knight sac on move 19. But following the line, all top recommended move it finally comes around and agrees MUCH later after move 24 or so. Outstanding |
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| Mar-04-16 | | yurikvelo: full multiPV: http://pastebin.com/QSGEaABC
passive 4.b4 and 7.d4 were neutralized by 9. ... Bd7? and 10. ... Nce7? 12. ... Nh6? and game achieved unrecoverable point
15. ... d5?? and 21. ... Qc8?? only make white win easy 30. ... Rg6? shortened forced mate from 28 to just 7 moves <Fritz 13 can't agree with the knight sac on move 19>
There are 9 winning moves at 19. Knight sac is second best. Exact sorting which move is best is possible only by Distance-To-Mate.
If one move is forced Mate in 35 and other move is Mate in 40 - can you say that second move is bad? If 21. Re1+! than knight sac will be more effective, forced trading back knight for pawn. 19. a5! is much more agressive move, white force exchange and have knight for 2 pawns and blocked Rook at h8.
Than white force RQ exchange and have active R+N vs blocked R
Estimated is +M46 19. a5! |
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| Nov-12-17 | | Afaque24: IN 24.bxe7+ Ne7?? would have been better?. |
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| Mar-01-18 | | tgyuid: nice; positron |
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| Oct-30-20 | | MordimerChess: Of course 19. a5 wins immediately but it's a pure satisfaction to win with a tactical hit against World Champion :D Full video analysis of this game:
https://youtu.be/AZ25It9oVUs
Enjoy! |
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| Feb-14-23 | | generror: Lasker back in 1925: "Here Chigorin made the sacrifice <19.Nxf7> and won in a few moves. With one voice the chess press -- newspapers, magazines, books -- applauded. Nobody criticized. In fact, the combination was half-sublime, half-ludicrous error. To win the game, <19.a5> was amply sufficient. [...] Black virtually fights with a rook minus and cannot bring it into play before White has inflicted mortal damage. The sacrifice <19.Nxf7>, on the contrary, immediately let that rook out and imperils the issue of the game concerning which there should have been no doubt. [...] Even the most lenient critic would have to say that Chigorin fought with a corpse, gave him a new spell of life and then killed him again." Lasker just rules :) |
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Feb-14-23
 | | chancho: Tsk tsk... This <rd 1> game and the game from <rd 23> have the same pun: Chigorin vs Steinitz, 1892 |
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| Feb-26-23 | | Capacorn: Screw 19. a5! Chigorin was the man! Steinitz was also. What a great match this was. I never knew! Just learning about it now, making my way through Kasparov’s My Great Predecessors, Part I. |
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| Jul-20-24 | | mel gibson: I saw the game ply straight away.
Stockfish 16.1 chooses a different ply:
19. a5
(19. a5 (1.a5 Bxa5 2.Rxb7 Qe6 3.Ng5 Qg6 4.Ndxf7 h6 5.Nxh8 Kxh8 6.Nf3 c5 7.Bxc5 Nc6
8.Qb3 Qe6 9.Qd3 Bd8 10.h3 Kg8 11.g4 Nfe7 12.Nh4 Na5 13.Rbb1 Nec6 14.Nf5 Bc7 ) +4.97/43 286) score for White +4.97 depth 43.
if I force SF to play the same ply as the game and Black to accept the Knight: 19. Nxf7 Kxf7
20. e6+ (20. e6+ (1.e6+ Kxe6 2.Re1+ Kf6 3.Bxe7+ Nxe7 4.Ne5 Qd6 5.Qf3+ Nf5 6.g4
g6 7.gxf5 Kg7 8.a5 Rhf8 9.axb6 Rxf5 10.Qg3 Rf6 11.Nd3 axb6 12.Rxb6 Qxg3+
13.hxg3 Rf7 14.Reb1 Ra7 ) +4.73/45 403)
score for White +4.73 depth 45. |
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Jul-20-24
 | | perfidious: Botterill published this game in his work <Open Gambits> in the mid 1980s, and I believe he noted 19.a5 as being stronger than the text. |
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| Jul-20-24 | | geeker: Funny...having been alerted of "a combination" I hit on the first 2 moves, 19. Nxf7 and 20. e6+, very quickly but then could find no blockbuster. Indeed 19. a5 was stronger. |
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Jul-20-24
 | | An Englishman: Good Evening: Looks like a speculative sacrifice (or more accurately, would have been had I played it). 18...Nhf5 looks like a blunder in an already compromised position. What sayeth the silicon monsters about 18...Nef5 instead? |
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Jul-20-24
 | | PawnSac: < Bishoprick: In the St.Petersburg Chess Club, there is a series of photographs of the world champions. According to these photos, Chigorin is the first World Champion, and he might have been, had it not been for Steinitz. > So Chigorin was the first Russian WCC. But in their mindset, it's not who's officially first that's important. Historically it has been about initially conquering the WCC, then RETAINING it. You know.. global domination. That's the psychological predisposition the political system would support. I mean let's face it.. The great players had to survive in a climate that would endorse their activity. And there are some obvious "social concessions", but it's how they survived. I'm happy they did. We have all benefited from their investment in chess. |
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Jul-20-24
 | | chrisowen: I grow its quick c Nxf7 its achtung much its axiom ji effect its aob jib ed buck with gg its hub its a cuff muff its hob Nxf7 ear; |
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| Jul-20-24 | | Allderdice83: I spent a lot of time on 21. Qe2+?? Kf6 22. Qe5+ Kg6, trying to make that work, but it doesn't. If you gave me the position after 20 ... Kxe6 with 2 minutes left, I'd almost certainly play 21. Re1+ as the intuitively obvious move (bring the rook into the attack with tempo). Then comes 21 ... Kf6 22. Ne5 Qd6 23. Bxe7+ Nxe7 (or Qxe7?? 24. Ng4+ wins the queen) 24. Qf3+. White has a strong advantage. 21. Ne5 is also strong, however. And of course, 19. a5! is better than 19. Nxf7, but I didn't look at that. |
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| Jul-20-24 | | TheaN: Hm. As puzzle this one's a tad bit cooked. I saw the rather puzzly <19.Nxf7 Kxf7> straight away, if Black doesn't take he just loses the exchange <20.e6+ Kxe6> is forced too, Qxe6 Ng5+ +- and else exd7 +- and now I played the logical <21.Re1+ +-> and SF gives this +3. It is in fact better than Ne5 which is just +1.5 with best play. I played Re1+ more on principal 'attack reloading' but it's obvious White has enormous initiative with two unmoved Black rooks. To add insult to injury, the puzzle text move isn't best: 19.a5 simply makes the pressure on b7 insurmountable and White can continue attacking without the sac. |
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