| Jun-12-10 | | BobCrisp: <The foregoing may be regarded as overwhelming evidence that Kashdan played White against Capablanca.> Chess Note 6615.
http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/... |
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Jan-06-22
 | | jessicafischerqueen:
<BobCrisp>
And yet....
https://www.chesshistory.com/winter... In the text of the Chess Note 6615 you cite, the concluding paragraph says: <The only cause for any slight doubt stems from the admirable volume on Capablanca’s tournament and match games compiled by J. Gilchrist and D. Hooper and published in 1963 in the ‘Weltgeschichte des Schachs’ series: it had Capablanca as White. Was that a rare mistake by two fine researchers? Or had ‘Capablanca v Kashdan’, as opposed to ‘Kashdan v Capablanca’, already appeared in a pre-1963 source?> In his biography of Kashdan, Peter Laude gives <Capablanca - Kashdan> for his game score, and lists <New York, 1931> as his primary source. 1931 is certainly "pre-1963," but I wonder about some of the mistakes I already found in Laude's volume, including two pairs of identical games attributed to different events, and two instances of an impossible game score that needed to be fixed. Is <New York> the name of a magazine? Anyways food for thought. Or possibly just a snack for thought... |
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Jan-07-22
| | jessicafischerqueen:
Hang on Laude might be referring to a <New York 1931> tournament book?Was there a tournament book compiled during or shortly after the tournament? |
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| Jan-07-22 | | Retireborn: <Jess> This is quite alarming! The Russian source (Soloviev, 2005) I've used for Capa's games has him White here. Megabase 2021 goes with him Black. Of some interest is that Kashdan played this variation (9...dxc4 10.Bxc4 Nd5) as Black against Marshall in round 7, and as White against Kupchik in round 9. I can't find another example of Capa playing it with either colour. I did wonder if something could be deduced from the pairings, as all the round numbers are given, but I don't recognize the pairing system used. so I have nothing to indicate whether Capa had his sixth White or his sixth Black in round 11. What an annoying mystery this is! |
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Jan-07-22
 | | MissScarlett: C.N. 6615 <John Blackstone (Las Vegas, NV, USA) notes that this game was played between Capablanca and Kashdan but asks who was White. He points out that whereas databases indicate Capablanca, the Brooklyn Daily Eagle of 4 June 1931 (page 26) had Kashdan as White.> But the same paper of May 7th, p.32, had Capablanca as White. An AP report of the final round that appeared in several papers on May 4th didn't specify the colours. |
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Jan-07-22
| | MissScarlett: My hunch would be that Gilchrist and Hooper relied on the May 7th report in the <BDE> - typically considered a gold standard source - whether or not they discovered conflicting evidence. |
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Jan-07-22
 | | Ron: My hunch is that Isaac Kashdan played White here. White played in a drawish way. At least for me, I would consider it an achievement to draw a game against one of the greatest players of all time. |
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Jan-07-22
| | MissScarlett: That fits too with Capa reportedly offering the draw, something normally done after making a move. |
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| Jan-07-22 | | RookFile: With 25. Re3 white has a slight advantage. I think Capa was black and when he offered a draw, Kashdan grabbed it with both hands. I would do the same. |
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| Jan-07-22 | | Z truth 000000001: Since one can never get enough Keanu...
<I would do my liking: in the meantime let me be that I am and seek not to alter me.> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhT... (OK, I lied)
<And then is heard no more. It is a tale> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qND... |
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Jan-11-22
| | jessicafischerqueen:
<Gentlemen> thanks so much for your substantive posts on this vexing topic. I sense that the overall feeling drifts in the direction of <Kashdan> with the white pieces? So we just leave this game as it is amrite? |
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| Jan-11-22 | | Retireborn: <Jess> Yes, leave it as it is. It is vexing that we don't know for sure though. Especially as this was (AFAIK) the only game between these two! |
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Jan-11-22
| | jessicafischerqueen:
<Retireborn> It really is a fascinating mystery isn't it. Perhaps the best kind, which can never really be resolved... |
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| Jan-12-22 | | RookFile: The whole game looks like an instant replay of some Alekhine vs. Capa game from the 1921 world championship, with Capa taking black numerous times. I think he did one more time for this game, too. |
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| Jul-06-22 | | Messiah: The game is unbelievably boring, but the mystery is interesting. |
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