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| Jun-17-15 | | coolconundrum: It was a very nicely played game...that's the real tragedy of it. This was a classic Magnus crush in the making, spoiled in the silliest of ways. Good thing it's just one chess game. |
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Jun-17-15
 | | perfidious: A classic example, in which a strong GM forgot his simple arithmetic, ie, how to count the number of moves remaining to the fourth (!) time check, was Geller vs Portisch, 1973. |
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| Jun-17-15 | | Everett: <AylerKupp: <<Everett> Surprised that the only time to earn of the time control specifics was only at the beginning of the game. No other time? bizarre to me.> The time controls are posted on the official Norway 2015 site as well as the official 2015 Grand Chess Tour 2015 site (given that Norway 2015 is part of the 2015 Grand Chess Tour). And, given that the time controls change from event to event, I would think that this would be the 3rd thing that the players look at (1st = Schedule to ensure that there are no conflicts, 2nd = Prize Fund).> Thanks. I agree with you that Carlsen was given ample time, and should have known the time control well-before the first round is started. |
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Jun-17-15
 | | HeMateMe: <Well, Magnus was just unlucky, the type of unluckiness that happens to the greats as opposed to beginers' luck> No, that's not true. Players at all skill levels lose because they have lost control of the time in their games. It's part of the game of chess, not luck. When you lose, you lose. |
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Jun-17-15
 | | plang: I agree that Topalov was lucky but someone who loses on time is not unlucky |
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| Jun-17-15 | | posoo: it's always da MOST gratafying when i SMOKE a player with my confusing and clever moves and they hem and haw like a pondering buffalo, and when they run out of time the huff "TIME WIN." And i'm like DATS RITE - da posoo is too cofusing for u! dats why da point is in my pocket! GO Tupluv! I laugh at all da players who say TIME WIN. |
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| Jun-18-15 | | Calli: Somrtimes, https://youtu.be/TFldj7otGsk?t=32s |
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Jun-19-15
 | | Domdaniel: There are ways of losing on time without *actually* flagging - and most active tournament players have succumbed at one time or another. In one game - round 4 or 5 of a national championship, where my earlier games had been fairly short wins or losses, none of which had reached the time control - I 'woke' from a long think to imagine I was in serious time trouble, with a minute or so for 20 moves. I was a pawn up, with a winnable position, but I began to lash out moves at top speed. And only when I'd lost did I realize that I'd had an extra 30 mins on the clock all along. Even more idiotically, I once knocked over a clock with my elbow while moving, picked it up, and put it back - on the wrong side of the board. My opponent had been well behind on time - a disadvantage which I neatly transferred to myself. He said nothing. In due course, I lost. Stuff happens. I agree with the comments by <paulalbert> and <perfidious> -- I'm also dimly reminded of the first game of the Kasparov-Short title match (was it '93?) ... where, in the space of a couple of seconds, Short won a pawn, declined a draw offer, and lost on time. So it goes. It's probably true that the range of possible time controls, and thus the scope for confusion, has grown since the adoption of increments. Though I think increments are a good thing, in general. |
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| Jun-19-15 | | Jim Bartle: <Even more idiotically, I once knocked over a clock with my elbow while moving, picked it up, and put it back - on the wrong side of the board. My opponent had been well behind on time - a disadvantage which I neatly transferred to myself. He said nothing. In due course, I lost.> Come on. I understand an opponent not telling you you forgot to punch the clock, but not correcting a clock placed on the wrong side and distorting the times? |
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| Jun-19-15 | | Everett: <memberJun-17-15 plang: I agree that Topalov was lucky but someone who loses on time is not unlucky> I agree |
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| Jun-19-15 | | Whitehat1963: Is the final position a draw? |
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| Jun-19-15 | | 1 2 3 4: <Whitehate1963> The final position is totally winning for White. Apparently, Carlsen lost on time. |
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Jun-20-15
 | | maxi: <Jim Bartle> Come on yourself. Cheating at the highest level is uncommon mainly because it is difficult to carry through. But at lower levels there is always all kinds of cheating going on, forget not being helpful. Players give advice to each other during games, good unknown players play under false names, and so on and on and on. Sometimes the cheating can be so subtle or tricky that it amazes you. |
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| Jun-20-15 | | Jim Bartle: I guess I am very naive. |
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Jun-20-15
| | plang: <But at lower levels there is always all kinds of cheating going on, forget not being helpful> And you are aware of this how?!? |
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Jun-20-15
| | maxi: Whenever humans are involved in any activity there's cheating. When I was active in chess I saw a lot of it, some done against me. Unfortunately, unless you have very sound evidence, denouncing it will get you in a lot of trouble... |
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| Jun-21-15 | | Everett: <maxi> in my short OTB career, particularly at quicker controls, Ive seen a few things. Mostly "legal" though, psyche-jobs, messing with your head just before the game, etc. Personally it got to me at times. Since I would often feel an outsized-responsibility to punish underhandedness and bullying, It's part of the reason I only play with friends now, solve puzzles, and kibitz. Even in the right, I did not want to get into those conflicts with strangers over a board game. Life is short, as they say. |
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| Jun-22-15 | | Shoukhath007: Here is one of the hardest chess puzzle Beginners can't solve this but try.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP0...
bye |
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Jun-22-15
 | | Peligroso Patzer: <Mr 1100: Actually, shouldn't it be the opponent (i.e. in this case,
Topalov) that calls the flag?
Looking at the video, it looks like the arbiter(s)/other officials walked up to the players to inform them that Carlsen's flag had fallen - how is that fair? My understanding is that unless Topalov had called the flag (which he likely would have done eventually), Carlsen could continue playing, even if the arbiter(s) had seen the time limit pass. Of course correct me if I'm wrong...> >
What you say would be correct in an event under USCF (United States Chess Federation) rules. Rule 13C1 of the U.S. Chess Federation’s Official Rules of Chess, 6th Edition, provides: “13C1. <Only players may call flag.> Only the players in a game may call attention to the fall of a flag (5G); it is considered to have fallen only when either player points this out. A director must never initiate a time-forfeit claim.” [Remaining provisions of this rule re: improper call of flag fall by spectators omitted.] <FIDE Rules, however, are different.> Especially in an elite invitational event, a flag fall is usually called by the arbiter. The applicable FIDE rule reads as follows: “6.8 A flag is considered to have fallen <when the arbiter observes the fact> or when either player has made a valid claim to that effect.” From: FIDE Laws of Chess: For competitions starting on or after 1 July 2014 Link: http://www.fide.com/fide/handbook.h... |
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Jun-22-15
| | Peligroso Patzer: <dumbgai: Seems rather strange that this tournament would use a different time control from (as far as I know; correct me if wrong) all the other elite tournaments, including World Championship cycle.> Actually, there is a wide range of TCs used in FIDE events. The basic FIDE guideline is set forth in Section C.07 of the FIDE Handbook, which reads as follows: C. General Rules and Recommendations for Tournaments
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07. Time Control
There is a single time control for all major FIDE events: 90 minutes for the first 40 moves followed by 30 minutes for the rest of the game with an addition of 30 seconds per move starting from move one. The list of FIDE events where this single time control will be used: Chess Olympiads
World Team Championships
Continental Team Championships
World Cup
Continental Championships
Zonal Tournaments
World Youth & Junior Championships
Continental Youth & Junior Championships
World School Championships
Continental Club Championships
From: FIDE Handbook
Link: http://www.fide.com/fide/handbook.h... Other FIDE tournaments and matches (besides those listed above) use a variety of different TCs. For example, the TC used at the last World Championship match was as follows: <3.5 Time control.>
3.5.1 The time control for each game shall be: 120 minutes for the first 40 moves, 60 minutes for the next 20 moves and then 15 minutes for the rest of the game with an increment of 30 seconds per move starting after move 61 has been made. From: RULES & REGULATIONS FOR THE FIDE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH (FWCM) 2014 Link: http://www.fide.com/FIDE/handbook/F... |
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| Jun-23-15 | | Memethecat: I wish there was a symbol next to the scores or even better the moves, that represented time and/or time trouble. I spent 10 mins looking for blacks illusive winning line before realizing white must've been out of time. |
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| Jun-23-15 | | BeerBrand: Oh my, so the win of Topalov as black is due to zeitnot. 0-1 but white is winning on the final position as analyzed by engines. |
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| Jul-06-15 | | choosea: >> there is no standard time control
>> time and/or time trouble
>> "and then 15 minutes for the rest of the game with an increment of 30 seconds per move starting after move 61 has been made." >> DATS RITE - da posoo is too cofusing
>> range of possible time controls, and thus the scope for confusion >> particularly in this tournament in his home country >> "On behalf of the Grand Chess Tour and the Chief arbiter, as well as personally, I would like to apologize to the players for the insufficient information..." >> Jøran Aulin-Jansson On Apologizing At Norway Chess >> "Norway Chess director Jøran Aulin-Jansson issued an official apology to Magnus Carlsen and the other players.." |
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| Aug-25-16 | | Virgil A: Bad beat. |
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| Jul-01-22 | | Justin796: Wow Magnus Carlsen might be human after all, what a shock. |
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