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Sergey Karjakin vs Magnus Carlsen
Carlsen - Karjakin World Championship Match (2016), New York, NY USA, rd 9, Nov-23
Spanish Game: Morphy Defense (C78)  ·  1/2-1/2

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Nov-23-16  Eyal:


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In the press conference, it turned out both players thought that 33.Ba4 was simply refuted by 33...Qf5 (with the threat of 34...Qxf3+ & 35...Re1+) - they both missed 34.Qf1! (there's no other good move for White - 34.Bf4 loses a piece to 34...Rb4 35.Qc6 Re6, as Carlsen was quick to point out).

Nov-23-16  Eyal:


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And here, according to what the players said, it seems that when Karjakin was looking at 39. Qb3 he got "stuck" after 39...Nf5 40. Bxf7+ Kg7 41. Rh3 Qe7, and was surprised when Carlsen mentioned 42. Bg8!. Carlsen saw that White was winning in this line after 42...h5 43. d5 Be5 44. Be6, and said that he was planning instead to play 40... Qxf7 and try to save the endgame after 41. Qxf7+ Kxf7 42. Rxh7+ Ke6 43. Rxc7, but he didn't sound very optimistic about Black's chances.

Nov-23-16  iuventus: Richard Taylor - thanks, enjoyed reading your last posts. I'll check out the Cheever story (looking for something to read). On the topic of feedback loops in the brain, you might know "I am a strange loop" by Hofstadter, which is all about that (although focus is on consciousness rather than anxiety).
Nov-23-16  2Towers: 41. Rxh7+ Kxh7 42.Qf7+ Kh8 43.Bg5 (43..Rg1+ 44.Kxg1 Bxh2+ 45. Kh1)
Nov-23-16  UnMaganumus: Stuttering is a genetic disorder but can be corrected with some coaching.
Nov-23-16  Tiggler: I have a friend whose name is Ougouag. He does not stutter, but he told me his name means stutterer. I am not sure in what language: he is from Algeria.
Nov-23-16  sp12: Did white miss out on 32.Bf6??
Nov-23-16  activechess55: <Eyal:>

Thanks for the analysis ! As usual, your blog is spot on about critical moments of the game.

Nov-23-16  sp12: 32. Bf6 Nxf6
33. Rxg6+ hxg6
34. Qxg6+ etc leads to mate

or

32. Bf6 Nxf6
33. Rxg6+ Kf8
34. Rxf6 etc

or

32. Bf6 nF4
33.rXF4 bXF4
34. rXG6+ HXG6
35. QXG6+ etc

Nov-23-16  dunkenchess: 3 more.
Nov-24-16
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  keypusher: <sp12: Did white miss out on 32.Bf6??>

32....Rxb3

Nov-24-16  activechess55: <sp12:> What happens after 32. Bf6 Rb3 33.Qb3 Nf6
Nov-24-16  Dobrimir: After 33.Ba5 Qf5 34.Qf1 Rb1 35.Qb1 Qf3 36.Rg2 Nc3 Qf1 Na4 ... If somebody have strong engine pl.
Nov-24-16  rhinox12: karjakins going to win.. magnus is psychologically losing.. could not break karjakins defense.. 3 more games.. and its over..
Nov-24-16  alkinoos 3844: Although Carlsen is the better player generally, i think that uf Carlsen loses it would be great news for the chess world. Almost everyone thought his is invincible.This will motivate lots of SGMs
Nov-24-16  positionalgenius: Karjakin with the pressure, again. Carlsen lucky to not be down 0-2.

Should be a great final stretch.

Nov-24-16
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  Richard Taylor: <iuventus: Richard Taylor - thanks, enjoyed reading your last posts. I'll check out the Cheever story (looking for something to read). On the topic of feedback loops in the brain, you might know "I am a strange loop" by Hofstadter, which is all about that (although focus is on consciousness rather than anxiety).>

I picked that book up. I haven't read it but it interested me. I couldn't get into his other book altho I did study logic briefly the mass of logic notation in there put me off. But the 'Strange Loop...' book looks interesting.

Actually a book I found when I was 19 (in 1966!) and I got a copy recently is what appears quite basic but it is called 'Release from Nervous Tension' by Dr. Harold Fink. It is very good and fairly straightforward. It recommends relaxation techniques but also such things as taking account of positive things. I actually went to a psychologist many years later for stress and he got me to write down the good experiences I had. I did, and I found it valuable. In fact that was part of what got me to start writing. I write poetry mostly although I combine it with images etc...But at the time it was very good. One idea I got was to think of the mind / brain as a city. Now Fink gives the analogy of green lights and red. As more red turn on, more red turn on! So, simply put, there is a traffic jam. The same with the human mind.

Also, like many people, I have trouble with getting things done etc. Now if a person is depressed, and wants to 'pull out' (apart from using anti-depressants which do work in many cases) there are things to think about. One is to take up a hobby. Well chess wasn't one as I had given up chess basically and chess does nothing for stress per se. But let's say it was music or art or gardening...whatever it is...say learn the guitar. Get one, but just play a few chords of notes. Put it away. So this doesn't generate this negative resistance. Then a little more and slowly more.

This I found actually worked. A lot of these things are more important than say, reading all the Great Books several times (nothing wrong with that but set priorities).

Back to stuttering. I think (I don't know) that it could be in some cases a kind of learned thing.

My daughter has a PhD in Health Science and Psychology so I might ask her. But I am wary, as she then suggests I look after two of my grandsons!!

But even having graduated in psychology she still has some difficulties. Mainly what she calls stress. But she is mostly pretty upbeat. My other daughter worries more and she and her partner obsess over saving money which is good but I am no example as I could never save money....

Nov-24-16
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  Richard Taylor: I went through the game. Karjakin certainly had some chances but it was always difficult to win. I think the Qb3 move was better than Bxf7+ ...But he left that to the last minute.

Still it was impressive with some lapses by both sides...

Nov-24-16  SimplicityRichard: <Richard Taylor: I have panic attacks - so lectures, plays, movies, meetings of various kinds, going on buses, concerts are things I almost never go to (or go on).>

I have something for you to read in case you're interested. My email: Simplicityrichard@gmail.com #

Nov-24-16
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  Richard Taylor: I thought Thanksgiving was something to do with the Declaration of Independence or Gettysburg but here is a synopsis for those who are not from the US:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thank...

O.k. its Wiki but sometimes a link helps. Karjakin and Carlsen are playing on that day. Clearly neither of them are American....

Nov-24-16
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  ajk68: Hopefully this championship is the kick in the pants Carlsen needs to do more opening prep. He must be doing prep, but it always seems like his opening aims for unfamiliar territory where he hopes to gain an advantage. He even said "In the openings, I just need to reach a position that gives me play." It would be nice to see him break some theoretical ground and have some difficult problems prepared.
Nov-24-16
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  Richard Taylor: <SimplicityRichard: <Richard Taylor: I have panic attacks - so lectures, plays, movies, meetings of various kinds, going on buses, concerts are things I almost never go to (or go on).> I have something for you to read in case you're interested. My email: Simplicityrichard@gmail.com #>

Thanks a lot. I might send an email. I mentioned it as I know other people have these problems. I used to not talk about it at all but now I am retired I am "coming out"!! Well, not in the usual sense...

Nov-24-16  lamsang: Karjakin missed a chance by a move 33Ba4 so to pin black R and Q.I think 33 Qc2 was not a good move.
Nov-24-16  Ulhumbrus: One justification for 13...Bxf3 instead of 13...exd4 is that in this way Black doubles White's f pawns without having to pay more for it in the way of conceding space by 13...exd4 not to mention bringing the N on b5 back into play by 14 Nxd4.

Imagine the game proceeding for a few moves as it did but with the moves ...exd4 and Nxd4 omitted.

That means that in the positions which arise we move the knight on d4 back to b5 and replace the pawns on d4 and e5.

Thus in the position after 16...Nh5 we move the N on d4 back to b5, replace Black's N on c6 and the pawns on d4 and e5, so that we arrive at the position reached after 13...Bxf3 14 gxf3 Nh5

In this position Black admittedly can't attack White's centre by ...c5 but on the other hand he can try the manoeuvre ...Nc6-e7-g6 supporting the thrust ...Nf4 and what is White's N on b5 doing?

Nov-24-16
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  Lech Kulejewski: Hello everybody,
I can't remember this quotation, but I believe the first author of it was Siegbert Tarrasch, and Robert Fischer repeated after Him: "It's not enough to be a good player, You have to play well" I consider MC a better chess player than SK ( say, slightly, and TILL NOW.) But out of discussion is that SK is perfectly "programmed" exactly for tis match, for this oponent. I'm sure he has solved thousands endgame studies and here his"miracle" draws in the first quarter of the match come from, as well as the won 8 ght game. Besides, am I the only one considering Bb4 instead of Bxf7? After Bb4 the menace of Bxf7 looks strong, and it's only my intuition, but position after 38....Ke7 doesn't seem "mellow" for forcing moves yet...
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